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This is correct use of IP space. With a routeable IP on every computer, no one would be a second class (consume-only) user of the Internet.
No corporate IT would have firewall setup to allow every computer to be routable from the internet. So practically a globally addressable IP or not makes no impact on ability to be routable publicly
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How does IPv4's use translate to anti-trust?
Controlling 200 times more of a critical resource than the next competitor does not sound like healthy competition.
In the consumer space this doesn't matter much. Most internet users at home could have their IPv4 address removed and only provided an IPv6 one. Mobile internet is commonly served only by IPv6. It's the hosting/server space where IPv4 matters and will probably be like this for the next 20 years. This will be harder than the python 2 -> 3 migration. We'll continue to come close to running out of IPv4 addresses but we…
> Mobile internet is commonly served only by IPv6.
These aren’t true. There are still some big consumer-facing sites that are IPv4 only — notably twitter.com and amazon.com. I can definitely still access both from my mobile device.
IPv6 will never happen without someone forcing hands of big corps and ISPs to switch to Ipv6. Imagine all social media and streaming services, disable ipv4 within a month. These are not critical services but still will force ISPs to make the switch.
But it is happening. https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html shows it slowly but steadily increasing.
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That makes me realise there is an incentive for ISPs to hold out on supporting IPv6. If IPv6 was widely supported then their IPv4 blocks would be worthless. I wonder how many will be holding out on deploying IPv6 until they can offload their still-valuable IPv4 addresses.
IPv6 adoption is just sad. Sharing an anectode: Back in 2002, I was using a 56k modem on a linux box 24/7 from home with a dialup flatrate. Being an avid IRCnet user, I setup an IPv6 tunnel with a tunnel broker (I think it was Hurricane Electric - it was before Aiccu was a thing) and connected to the IPv6 IRCnet servers. There was once a channel #uptime which was a contest: On start of contest, everybody in channel g…
It's hard to understand why they don't just push through since there clearly are no real technical problems as witness by those few countries with major providers that actually actively use IPv6 (only).
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Even if you reduce it down to /48 subnets you have 281,474,976,710,656 of these, ~65k times more than the entire IPv4 space, your usual assignment to a machine is a /64 which are about 4.2 billion times the amount of the IPv4 address space, about 18 quintillion. Thats enough addresses to give every one of the 8 billion humans on this planet, two billion /64 subnets. Which I'd say should be enough for the moment.
> 65k times more than the entire IPv4 space Last week I was thinking about a system to automatically cut my hair the way I exactly want (precision up to the millimeter and per hair). So, one way would be by using cheap microrobots*. The On average we have around 100K hairs on our heads. Let’s say you buy 100K microrobots to cut your hair. Each of these microrobots could have their own ipv6 (because, why not) so that…
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I have 127.0.0.0/8 for sale! Give me 100 million euros and it's all yours! What do you mean some people are actually using those addresses and i don't own them? RFC makes it very clear local link means my own machine and i pretty much own my own machine, thank you. Do you see how ridiculous is this situation now?
You don't have that for sale, because you don't own it, and if you try to announce it you will get disconnected from all your peers and will have to close shop.
Addendum: I also wish I could volunteer to be switched over to CGNAT for my personal IPv4 traffic. This discussion got me thinking about what it would take to get my company's IPv4 footprint down to zero. Might as well do that for myself as well if I could.
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You don't have that for sale, because you don't own it, and if you try to announce it you will get disconnected from all your peers and will have to close shop.
You just got wooooshed.
In the consumer space this doesn't matter much. Most internet users at home could have their IPv4 address removed and only provided an IPv6 one. Mobile internet is commonly served only by IPv6. It's the hosting/server space where IPv4 matters and will probably be like this for the next 20 years. This will be harder than the python 2 -> 3 migration. We'll continue to come close to running out of IPv4 addresses but we…
> Most internet users at home could have their IPv4 address removed and only provided an IPv6 one. > Mobile internet is commonly served only by IPv6. These aren’t true. There are still some big consumer-facing sites that are IPv4 only — notably twitter.com and amazon.com. I can definitely still access both from my mobile device.
So while amazon.com may not have AAAA records/ipv6 it is still reachable by properly configured ipv6 clients with some sort of middleman to translate.