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Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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Post by Craighead »

nsizx wrote: post #123
southerntofu wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Standard Internet procedures for IP addresses is apply to your Regional Internet Registry for addresses, and the panel decides who will make best use of them (usually smaller/newer providers are prioritized). You only pay administrative/membership fees for the addresses because IP addresses are technical bits not property... everyone operates addresses but nobody owns them. That people sell food and houses is disconc…

The fact that you find private property "disconcerting" is enough to know this conversation is not going to go anywhere.

Oh it went somewhere, directly to run away capitalism and regulatory captures markets.

Be dismissive all you want.

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

tolien wrote: post #116
wu_187 wrote: post #111

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Both AT&T and Comcast do this with IPv4 as well.

Yeah, NTL/Virgin Media in the UK do the same in that their IPs geolocate to where the node/head end is. In a city, it's not going to be specific enough to uniquely identify you but it's still weird seeing ads that aren't that far away. On the other hand, the IPv4/v6 addresses on my A&A connection geolocate to either London or Bracknell (where their office is), about 400 miles away. I get a lot of pointless ads for th…

i have never used google search but the other day someone used that infront of me and on the bottom i saw what appeared to be "pin code for approximating your current location for local results" and something to that end. that scared me big time because this was like my home pin code, my small city has like 30 so this is narrowing me down to a single one which i am not comfortable with

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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Post by Frost1x »

goodpoint wrote: post #137
korethr wrote: post #2

low whistle I imagine they paid a pretty penny for those /12s. A thought comes to me: If IPv6 adoption continues to drag along, and AWS/Azure/GCP continue to expand their IP blocks like this, how quickly are we in danger of the cloud providers effectively being the Internet?

> are we in danger of the cloud providers effectively being the Internet? Between cloudflare and AWS/Azure/Google most of the Internet is an oligopoly right now. Interesting how nobody else replied to this part of your comment.

Well, when the internet cartel pays your bills...

Technology certainly scaling and improving but it's being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. In the past I could compete with most sophisticated companies, it wasn't unattainable. Barrier to entry is simply too high now. No single or small team of developers and technologists is going to compete with AWS.

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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Post by syntheticnature »

toxik wrote: post #124
xvilka wrote: post #117

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Some countries did exactly that, China for example. Most of the infrastructure, ISP networks, even user applications here is now IPv6 or ought to be in a few years [1]. [1] https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/26/china_single_stack_ip...

To be fair, this is exactly the type of thing you’d expect China to be good at, unilateral decision making.

Also, when your country's population is such that the entire IPv4 address space could only allow three addresses per resident, with that ignoring all reserved / multicast restrictions...

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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Post by greatgib »

nsizx wrote: post #79
southerntofu wrote: post #73

Last October, Amazon bought ~4 million addresses by bribing the corrupt technocrats of a radioamateur "non-profit" organization. Fuck Amazon, fuck those corrupt technocrats (like the ICANN/.org team who tried to sell the TLD). It's incredible what this kind of people can get away with. Previous discussion on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24753654

Well, if that organisation didn't have a use for those addresses... I don't see what the big deal is.

You also have to know that they got the address range for free, for the common good. Before they would be taken over by money.

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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Post by api »

wu_187 wrote: post #110
korethr wrote: post #2

low whistle I imagine they paid a pretty penny for those /12s. A thought comes to me: If IPv6 adoption continues to drag along, and AWS/Azure/GCP continue to expand their IP blocks like this, how quickly are we in danger of the cloud providers effectively being the Internet?

I've worked in the cloud hosting industry for a decade and a half. The entire time, we were warned about the IPv4 shortage and how we needed to switch to IPv6 soon(tm). Well, things haven't changed. Everyone is dragging their feet on IPv6 adoption from hosting providers, ISPs, hardware manufacturers, and software developers. I predicted this years ago and always said that it would require a government mandate to move…

All this is because IPv6 addresses are too long. If they’d made it 48 or 64 bits we would be fully converted by now. We are dragging because people hate using it.

I’ve been saying this for years. Nobody gets it because geeks don’t get ergonomics.

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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Post by koksik202 »

korethr wrote: post #2

low whistle I imagine they paid a pretty penny for those /12s. A thought comes to me: If IPv6 adoption continues to drag along, and AWS/Azure/GCP continue to expand their IP blocks like this, how quickly are we in danger of the cloud providers effectively being the Internet?

I wonder if we see large use of IPv4 and IPv6 adaptation how tricky it will be to adapt and be able to have enough FIB in boxes to hold all those resolutions I wonder how many companies will go into buying beefy chassis rather than implementing some some low level fragmentation for two families

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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Post by tolien »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #142
tolien wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, NTL/Virgin Media in the UK do the same in that their IPs geolocate to where the node/head end is. In a city, it's not going to be specific enough to uniquely identify you but it's still weird seeing ads that aren't that far away. On the other hand, the IPv4/v6 addresses on my A&A connection geolocate to either London or Bracknell (where their office is), about 400 miles away. I get a lot of pointless ads for th…

i have never used google search but the other day someone used that infront of me and on the bottom i saw what appeared to be "pin code for approximating your current location for local results" and something to that end. that scared me big time because this was like my home pin code, my small city has like 30 so this is narrowing me down to a single one which i am not comfortable with

Right, but is Google doing this with the information they get from your IP address or something else entirely? Is it just coincidence that your IP address corresponds to your ISP’s office which happens to be relatively local?

With loose enough permissions your browser has a geolocation API that, depending on your device, will be a hell of a lot more accurate (if you have Wi-Fi hardware it can use that to work out where it is relative to the known locations of the SSIDs it can see, or straight-out use GPS).

None of this has anything to do with IPv6 - you give away some location information with your username and profile on this very site, for example.

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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Post by gnrl »

zozbot234 wrote: post #56
skuhn wrote: post #43

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I actually think that what will really drive IPv6 adoption is if the price of IPv4 space continues its upward trajectory unabated. The price has about doubled at auction in the last year. How are those two things related? 1. There are a ton of owners sitting on inefficiently used IP space. Any company (not doing cloud hosting or network transit) that's holding a /8 is almost certainly using it very inefficiently, but…

> There are a ton of owners sitting on inefficiently used IP space. This includes AWS, btw. You effectively get a public IPv4 with your instance, regardless of your actual needs. It actually increases your costs to get cloud instances that don't do that.

You only get a public IP if you host in a public subnet. Should you deploy to a private subnet you wouldn't get a public ip

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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Post by icedchai »

pezezin wrote: post #129
john2010 wrote: post #68

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I know few universities that still use static ipv4 for computer pools. The admins claim easy for us to monitor for misuse.

My company owns a /16 and everybody gets an static address for each device, so I currently "own" two global IPv4 addresses. But everything is firewalled to hell and we need to connect through a proxy, so what's the point?

I own a /24, personally. It was registered in the early 90’s. I have it routed to my home network.
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