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Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by FullyFunctional »

grawprog wrote: post #19
Razengan wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do people pay the premium for this UI Apple forces you to use? Because we like it. Why does that make you so upset? You could have spent the 10 minutes you spent typing that rant out in being productive with whatever you have instead of raging about my purchases with my money.

Can you provide some details other then just 'because we like it'? That's not really explaining things at all. That's just an emotional defensive response with nothing to back it up.

I contributed to Linux 0.12 and used it ever since. Yet I mostly access Linux through Terminal on macOS. There are many reasons, and many of them subtle, the consistency and attention to UI detail, etc. I'm constant evaluating it, but I install Linux on _many_ devices, and every little thing that needs tweaking gets multiplied.

Ubuntu for me is getting very good, but inconsistencies like C-M-v in the terminal but C-v in the browser, font handling, etc etc (I could really go on forever) is irritating enough and I don't have time to be an idealist (I did when I was much younger).

The fundamental issue is "which Linux?". Apple sets a single standard and evolves actually fairly slowly over decades. There is a myriad of Linux desktop environments/distribution, but none have the man power and duration that Apple provides.

Buy hey, Linux desktop in 2021 is so much better than it was in 2001, so there's hope.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by grawprog »

linguae wrote: post #34
grawprog wrote: post #10

Gotta be honest, the last mac I ever used ran OS8 I think, maybe 9, it was one of the classic Mac os's either way. I know this is just a UI recreation and not the actual OS but as a long time KDE user, like over a decade, I can't help but think meh, why does this UI get so much praise? I can make my desktop look, act and behave literally any way I want, I can modify every single aspect of every single thing on my des…

As a long time Mac user, in my opinion what has historically distinguished the Mac from other platforms is the high degree of UI/UX consistency across applications. Mac users historically valued software products that conformed to the Apple Human Interface Guidelines and tended to shun non-compliant products; this is why Microsoft Word 5.1 was so well-received by classic Mac users while Microsoft Word 6 was rejected…

Thank you for actually giving a good objective, non emotionally driven response. I appreciate it.

I really was curious to hear some perspective on this that wasn't just because I like it. Thank you.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by Razengan »

grawprog wrote: post #36
Razengan wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you stop being obnoxious about other people’s preferences and just get on with your own shit if you’re so happy with it?

I asked a simple question and every single response has been emotionally driven and has provided no answers to my question other than 'don't judge my purchases.' I was genuinely curious as to what people actually saw in the UI, given this is HN. Instead, it's just Apple fan justification with nothing other than 'muh feelings.' I'm sorry you can't handle,that people question something you like and you can't actually e…

> ’muh feelings.'

See I had already pegged you as a low level troll before you blatantly exposed yourself as such and already gave you more time than your baits are worth. :)

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by grawprog »

contrast wrote: post #40
grawprog wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide some details other then just 'because we like it'? That's not really explaining things at all. That's just an emotional defensive response with nothing to back it up.

You should ask yourself whether, after posting the same accusatory rant time after time after time to strangers on the internet, people are going to conclude that you are providing the rational side of the argument.

I have not posted this rant before. You can search every comment i've made on HN I rarely comment on Apple products period because I don't own them.

I was genuinely curious. I've learned my lesson.

Never question Apple.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by scns »

grawprog wrote: post #14
Klonoar wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why do people pay the premium for this? Because... >I can make my desktop act and behave literally any way I want, I can modify every single aspect of every single thing on my desktop to suit my work flows and everything I do on a computer exactly so my computer does exactly what I want, when I want, exactly how I want it to in the exact way I want things to be done. I haven't changed much over the years, i've copie…

Deal with what? I selected some click and point options from a very clear and easy to read menu, downloaded some themes from a nice shiny, easy to use theme downloader, it took me all of a half hour to an hour or so to set things up about a decade ago and I have had to do a minimal amount of work since. Little tweaks,improvements here and there as I find better ways of doing things but otherwise, it was not much work…

Please read those: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We want to have an open, respectful site, where we can discuss differing opinoons respectfully.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by alpaca128 »

theranger wrote: post #16
grawprog wrote: post #10

Gotta be honest, the last mac I ever used ran OS8 I think, maybe 9, it was one of the classic Mac os's either way. I know this is just a UI recreation and not the actual OS but as a long time KDE user, like over a decade, I can't help but think meh, why does this UI get so much praise? I can make my desktop look, act and behave literally any way I want, I can modify every single aspect of every single thing on my des…

Because I consider my time more valuable than the cost of the ecosystem. I have no interest to tweak anything, I use the computer to earn my paycheck and constant tinkering and tweaking is not part of it. Open source and free software is free only if you do not value your time enough.

> Open source and free software is free only if you do not value your time enough.

I value my time sufficiently, thank you very much. Some people value their privacy more than a set of default settings, some don't see tweaking and tinkering as cost but as value by itself. Also you don't seem to get what Free Software is - it's not about getting free stuff.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by bigpeopleareold »

theranger wrote: post #16
grawprog wrote: post #10

Gotta be honest, the last mac I ever used ran OS8 I think, maybe 9, it was one of the classic Mac os's either way. I know this is just a UI recreation and not the actual OS but as a long time KDE user, like over a decade, I can't help but think meh, why does this UI get so much praise? I can make my desktop look, act and behave literally any way I want, I can modify every single aspect of every single thing on my des…

Because I consider my time more valuable than the cost of the ecosystem. I have no interest to tweak anything, I use the computer to earn my paycheck and constant tinkering and tweaking is not part of it. Open source and free software is free only if you do not value your time enough.

That's why I stopped using Macs years ago. I kept fighting the xcode toolchain on basic things. Maybe it has improved? I don't know, but I am not ready to readjust things when 99% of the time, Debian (or Kubuntu) with KDE just works along with well-supported hardware (for laptops: ThinkPads). There are some minor issues I run into, but it is not convincing me to run out and get something else. Also, if I tinker, it's because I want to, not because I need to. I mostly use defaults myself (except maybe adding a couple of useful widgets.)

I thought at one point I still needed to use Macs (for web development work) but there is nothing special it offers at least for what I mostly do.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by grawprog »

Razengan wrote: post #43
grawprog wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I asked a simple question and every single response has been emotionally driven and has provided no answers to my question other than 'don't judge my purchases.' I was genuinely curious as to what people actually saw in the UI, given this is HN. Instead, it's just Apple fan justification with nothing other than 'muh feelings.' I'm sorry you can't handle,that people question something you like and you can't actually e…

> ’muh feelings.' See I had already pegged you as a low level troll before you blatantly exposed yourself as such and already gave you more time than your baits are worth. :)

Yeah...I ask a question looking for objective reasons why people like something and a bunch of Apple fans lose their shit on me...aight...

I got my answer...they don't wanna talk...they wanna yell about how you're wrong if you have an opinion that differs from theirs.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by afro88 »

viraptor wrote: post #39
Klonoar wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why do people pay the premium for this? Because... >I can make my desktop act and behave literally any way I want, I can modify every single aspect of every single thing on my desktop to suit my work flows and everything I do on a computer exactly so my computer does exactly what I want, when I want, exactly how I want it to in the exact way I want things to be done. I haven't changed much over the years, i've copie…

> Most people don't want to deal with this There's nothing to "deal with". You can skip all of that and have a nice KDE/plasma desktop. On the other hand you have the builtin option to do things that require 3rd party apps on MacOS (caffeine, magnet, etc.)

The default macOS is much nicer and coherent than the default KDE, year on year.
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