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Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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Who the heck has a couple /12s and a /13 just lying around unused? And there are even some earlier pickups of two /10s: 252.0.0.0/10 and 44.192.0.0/10. Wow.

Look at who still has their assigned /8.

Gonna be funny how well likely live to see ipv6 run out of ip space leading to ipv8!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_addre...

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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low whistle I imagine they paid a pretty penny for those /12s. A thought comes to me: If IPv6 adoption continues to drag along, and AWS/Azure/GCP continue to expand their IP blocks like this, how quickly are we in danger of the cloud providers effectively being the Internet?

Having just realized my internet provider, cox, does not actually support ipv6 for the 2 million plus subscribers in my state I think it is safe to say that ipv6 is dead and will never take the place of ipv4 in our lifetimes. Don't get me wrong. They say they support it, they have lots of PR that says the support it but in fact as a subscriber they do not.

Where are you located?

I'm on cox in southern california, and they rolled out IPv6 some time in the last year or so.

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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post #9

Who the heck has a couple /12s and a /13 just lying around unused? And there are even some earlier pickups of two /10s: 252.0.0.0/10 and 44.192.0.0/10. Wow.

Look at who still has their assigned /8. Gonna be funny how well likely live to see ipv6 run out of ip space leading to ipv8! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_addre...

I knew about Apple and AT&T. DoD is really hoarding them, wow.

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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IPv6 will never happen without someone forcing hands of big corps and ISPs to switch to Ipv6. Imagine all social media and streaming services, disable ipv4 within a month. These are not critical services but still will force ISPs to make the switch.

Years ago, when I perhaps more naively believed in the benevolence of Google, and that wisdom of the Elder True Nerds who worked there would lead us to The Future, I might have applauded them throwing their weight around doing something like that. Possibly with a condescending paternalistic attitude like, "dragging the unwashed masses kicking and screaming into the the future they're too stupid to realize just yet that this will be better for them."

I am no longer so young and naive. Now, there is no doubt in my mind that such a move by Google or the other tech giants would not be made out of benevolence, but because by doing so, somehow, would net them yet greater control over the flow of information across the world. Whether out of an authoritarian desire architect society the right way this time, or chasing their profit margin as far down the asymptote as they can measure, the resultant 1st through Nth order effects would probably be the same for the rest of us.

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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low whistle I imagine they paid a pretty penny for those /12s. A thought comes to me: If IPv6 adoption continues to drag along, and AWS/Azure/GCP continue to expand their IP blocks like this, how quickly are we in danger of the cloud providers effectively being the Internet?

Public auctions (which they didn't use) are currently in the $45-50 per IP ballpark. At that price it's $247.5 million worth of IPs.

At auction the larger networks tend to go for less money per IP since there is a smaller market of people who want and can buy them (you have to be approved by ARIN/RIPE/etc. for the allocation size), which drives the price down.

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low whistle I imagine they paid a pretty penny for those /12s. A thought comes to me: If IPv6 adoption continues to drag along, and AWS/Azure/GCP continue to expand their IP blocks like this, how quickly are we in danger of the cloud providers effectively being the Internet?

I guess there's a large pool of IP addresses used by residential ISPs that could be recycled relatively easily. When I lived in Ireland I only got a public IPv6, my IPv4 was behind CG-NAT. The nerd in me wasn't a fan of that on paper, but in reality I didn't have any issues with it. I could see ISPs making a quick buck by switching to CG-NAT on IPv4 so they can sell off their IPv4 blocks. Those IPs being recycled for…

Problem with CGNAT is the costs involved in bookkeeping for law enforcement.

Where an IPv4 solution for your clients only needs change-logging on IPbinding-to-client level, the CG-NAT requires you as an ISP to log every outgoing IPv4/port combination with timestamp to client mapping.

Which requires A LOT more storage and much more expensive equipment.

Going rate per IPv4 is up to $40 nowadays, selling of your v4 block might not be cost-efficient.

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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IPv6 will never happen without someone forcing hands of big corps and ISPs to switch to Ipv6. Imagine all social media and streaming services, disable ipv4 within a month. These are not critical services but still will force ISPs to make the switch.

I thought ISPs were actually doing pretty well? Big corps are moving slowly but I think it's mostly limited to internal NATted networks, which frankly nobody has an incentive to upgrade. We're getting there... slowly.

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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post #2

low whistle I imagine they paid a pretty penny for those /12s. A thought comes to me: If IPv6 adoption continues to drag along, and AWS/Azure/GCP continue to expand their IP blocks like this, how quickly are we in danger of the cloud providers effectively being the Internet?

Having just realized my internet provider, cox, does not actually support ipv6 for the 2 million plus subscribers in my state I think it is safe to say that ipv6 is dead and will never take the place of ipv4 in our lifetimes. Don't get me wrong. They say they support it, they have lots of PR that says the support it but in fact as a subscriber they do not.

Same thing here with Spectrum.

Re: AWS adds an extra 5.5M IPv4 addresses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at who still has their assigned /8. Gonna be funny how well likely live to see ipv6 run out of ip space leading to ipv8! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_addre...

I knew about Apple and AT&T. DoD is really hoarding them, wow.

Honestly prudential is the one that stuns me. They’re an insurance company! Why do they need all those?!
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