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America’s losing battle against diabetes

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Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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I wonder what percentage of people with T2D are normal weight, because my impression is it's not very many people at all.

Anecdotally, my sister's kid just got diagnosed with it. He is not overweight whatsoever, but they put frickin' ketchup on everything. But, yea the majority might be overweight, but anyone that eats just carbs could get it.

With T2 ? Or with T1 ?

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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post #145

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Anecdotally, my sister's kid just got diagnosed with it. He is not overweight whatsoever, but they put frickin' ketchup on everything. But, yea the majority might be overweight, but anyone that eats just carbs could get it.

With T2 ? Or with T1 ?

T2. He is only like 11 years old. So I think he was exercising enough, in terms of he plays a bunch of sports.

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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Easiest solution to diabetes: Sugar tax. Easiest solution to climate change: Carbon tax. If we havn't used these solutions, someone high up in the food chain is placing a greater emphasis on profits from the status quo instead of the wellbeing of the population.

I'm not opposed to the idea, but there are some counterpoints that suggest it may not be as effective as you think. Look at gasoline tax. California has the highest tax in the country, yet it's also the largest consumer. I think other commenters have it right when they say there's a culture problem. In Niagara Falls, for example, it's a fairly common occurrence for Americans going into the Canadian side to get into a…

I guess a question would be is demand for sugar and sugary additives as inelastic as gasoline? People are going to fill up their cars no matter what it costs, but if a 32oz soda or bag of Skittles all of a sudden cost $10, maybe people switch to alternatives?

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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Anecdotally, my sister's kid just got diagnosed with it. He is not overweight whatsoever, but they put frickin' ketchup on everything. But, yea the majority might be overweight, but anyone that eats just carbs could get it.

What about exercise though? I think a lot of people discount exercise because no one exercises enough to take off the correlating weight, but any kid who doesn't ever hit aerobic exercise must have correlated cardiac risks and any kid who never walks distances probably has risks of odd insulin and inflammation issues. When I was a kid, kids of all weights seemed to eat only processed garbage, and most parents were ob…

Exercise is very important in many ways, it helps a great deal with metabolism long term, burns calories and has positive effects on both kinds of diabetes. It doesn't even have to be intense , just a daily walk is better than nothing.

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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Any tax on food hits poor people much more than wealthier people. You are taking food out of people's mouths.

Taxes can be redirected to the poor or even used to subsidize other food choices. The point is people and companies would make different choices if empty calories where relatively more expensive. The same is true of carbon taxes, they don’t extract money from the economy they move it around within the same economy.

Sure, though in my experience that rarely really happen. Here's another angle: it creates a kind of social stratification where only the wealthier can afford to eat certain popular foods. I grew up poor, it's very humiliating to not be able to eat the same things as your peers.

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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With T2 ? Or with T1 ?

T2. He is only like 11 years old. So I think he was exercising enough, in terms of he plays a bunch of sports.

Looking at how the maps in the article are roughly the opposite of urban, I was a little hesitant to bring up the diesel particulate theory, but the maps actually could correspond to average amount of time in a vehicle..

If there is some kind of direct damage occuring to hormonal systems then it doesn't really have to correlate to weight and exercise related T2.

The roads of my childhood were definitely included higher polluting diesel trucks, but kids and pregnant women did spend a lot less time traveling and usually didn't ride in diesel vehicles themselves, there was that fine leaded gas..

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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With T2 ? Or with T1 ?

T2. He is only like 11 years old. So I think he was exercising enough, in terms of he plays a bunch of sports.

That is unusually young for T2, the diagnosis might well change to T1.

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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Easiest solution to diabetes: Sugar tax. Easiest solution to climate change: Carbon tax. If we havn't used these solutions, someone high up in the food chain is placing a greater emphasis on profits from the status quo instead of the wellbeing of the population.

>Easiest solution to diabetes: Sugar tax. Wrong. You should BAN High-fructose corn syrup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup It is way more harmful than natural sugar. It is not banned yet because: - It is made from corn, and corn is heavily substituted by US government. - It is super cheap (high volume of corn available) - It is not only slightly sweet but also prevents spoilage (that's why they…

It's funny you link to the Wikipedia page, and then make a comment like:

> It is way more harmful than natural sugar.

When the Wikipedia page doesn't agree with your assertion.

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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> The rise of zero calorie drinks is a decent first step, some people say these can make you fat as well, but that is entirely physically impossible, they contain zero energy and they do not cause blood sugar level volatility , else diabetics drinking them could drop dead within minutes. I'd tread lightly here. Some initial research is showing that artificial sweeteners can stress your gut bacteria, which is a not we…

In addition there's a possibility that sweet taste causes the release of insulin in the blood which could also lead into resistance to insulin. There have been some studies on this too. On the other hand we know as a fact sugar is causing all sorts of issues so I'd place my bets in a substitute. Realistically it's very hard to avoid sugar altogether, it's in everything in one way or another from bread to milk. Misinf…

>In addition there's a possibility that sweet taste causes the release of insulin in the blood which could also lead into resistance to insulin

I think gp covered this?

>they do not cause blood sugar level volatility , else diabetics drinking them could drop dead within minutes.

If it actually released insulin and there was no corresponding rise in blood sugar (from the drink), you'd expect them to get low blood sugar and pass out.

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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> What we need to do is regulate how much sugar you can put into foods. How about we first find out what actually causes diabetes. Not what correlates with it, but what really causes it. And then how we can stop that. You can tax or forbid sugar all you want, but is it gonna stop diabetes? Will people who eat tons of other "empty carbs" really not get diabetes? I'm not so sure. Instead of restricting peoples lifes, I…

I didn't really think sugar causing obesity (and in turn causing diabetes) was open to debate? People gain weight because they consume too many calories and then eventually overweight people develop diabetes. The big calorie contributor to modern diets is the sugar content in food. For example, there are no shortage of stories of people losing weight just by cutting out soda from their diets. Now, some people will ch…

> I didn't really think sugar causing obesity (and in turn causing diabetes) was open to debate

There is no debate that there is a correlation, but that's not a causation.

Also, what is it now, sugar or obesity? Because if it is obesity, then shouldn't we (by your logic) tax everything that leads to obesity and not just sugar?

> People gain weight because they consume too many calories and then eventually overweight people develop diabetes.

But why do they consume too many calories?

There was a post here on HN not long ago that claimed that the micro-nutritions (like minerals) of many vegetables have declined over the years. Maybe that contributes much more to "eating too much" than anything else. That's something to research first, before taxing stuff based on our gutfeeling imho.

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