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Post by leereeves »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #335
leereeves wrote: post #322

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You're treating that theoretical average or median, even if no one speaks that way, as the standard accent against which all others are compared. That's one way in which people sometimes choose a "right" or "zero" accent. Another is by social standing ("the queen's English" was literally that). Either way, that's declaring one accent the right way of speaking, and describing people who speak differently as having a "…

It declares it standard, not "right". If you learn a foreign language having a standard to aim for is good and large deviations are difficult. Stop trying to turn this into right or wrong.

My whole point is to avoid turning this into right or wrong by realizing that an accent or a bias merely describes a particular way of speaking or thinking, not a degree of deviation from some standard.

In linguistics, this is the prescriptive vs descriptive debate. It's not controversial that a prescriptive grammar declares how a language should or ought to be used. Declaring one accent the standard is a similar prescriptive position.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by Shared404 »

janeroe wrote: post #445
Shared404 wrote: post #443

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For the record I'm more of a center libertarian. I dislike both political parties, and wish we would pass ranked choice voting ASAP so we can break out of this two party system already. Both parties are corrupt. However, only one has recently tried to overthrow our entire governmental system. Edits for clarity, and to add that if someone takes an attack on their party as a personal attack, there are larger issues the…

Nice. > wish we would pass ranked choice voting Do you believe that parties that in a joint effort "fortified" debates in 2000 to make sure no 3rd party could receive air time and wider audience, would commit political suicide introducing a mechanism that'd shake their positions? > Both parties are corrupt. However, only one has recently tried to overthrow our entire political system. I'm an outsider, is it the one t…

Again, both are corrupt.

But I was referring to the one that incited a riot that rushed the Capitol.

However, neither will change until forced. The best way to accomplish that that I can see is for someone either independent or in a splinter group in one of the main parties to run on ranked choice. Until then, the best we can do is vote for whoever is best (or less bad :/ ) for each job, regardless of their party.

As entertaining as it is, mudslinging between parties doesn't accomplish much. There's so much garbage both have done, we'd just all get covered with plenty of mud left to spare.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by kesselvon »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #364
kesselvon wrote: post #260

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It's not surprising that universities are more left-leaning when the right has taken a stance against higher education and pushes anti-intellectualism for political gain. The right likes to push this idea of universities as brainwashing factories, but there's very little of that going on given that its usually a struggle to get everyone to do the assigned reading, let alone try to brainwash people.

> It's not surprising that universities are more left-leaning when the right has taken a stance against higher education and pushes anti-intellectualism for political gain. People do realize that you don't have to choose between the regressive, anti-intellectual right and the regressive, anti-intellectual left, correct? Every time someone criticizes the left, some left-wing person argues that the right-wing is worse…

My point was that universities aren't some kind of left-wing propaganda factory, and that they see universities as hostile to right-wing opinions because they deride the product of a university education.

The right-wing opinion on universities and college graduates shifted around the same time that college graduates stopped being a strong GOP constituency.

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Post by dang »

NDizzle wrote: post #41
weimerica wrote: post #9

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Don’t forget that COVID isn’t a threat and to head on down to all the nice restaurants in Chinatown!

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Please don't post flamewar comments or use HN for political/ideological battle. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of which flavor they favor.

Also, please don't use allcaps for emphasis - that's also in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by NDizzle »

dang wrote: post #456
NDizzle wrote: post #41

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Please don't post flamewar comments or use HN for political/ideological battle. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of which flavor they favor. Also, please don't use allcaps for emphasis - that's also in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

The statements I made are quotes by politicians and medical experts over the last 18 months. People have short memories unfortunately.

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Post by wolverine876 »

ethbr0 wrote: post #401
JamesBarney wrote: post #333

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Journalism is changing. And to pretend like it's not is adding fuel to the fire. Younger journalists are less likely to see their job as being a neutral arbiter of truth and more likely to see themselves as part of the culture war. I'm a liberal but just as the ACLU is not the same organization it was 20 years ago, neither is The Gray Lady.

> Younger journalists are less likely to see their job as being a neutral arbiter of truth and more likely to see themselves as part of the culture war. That's a great way of phrasing it, because it speaks to the economic reality. You don't get hired as an independent or investigative journalist anymore, at the start of your career. You do get hired as a content magnet for eyeballs. This has always been a tension, bu…

> You don't get hired as an independent or investigative journalist anymore, at the start of your career.

> You do get hired as a content magnet for eyeballs

I get the idea and can imagine it, but I wonder what the reality is. Do you happen to be in journalism?

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Post by wolverine876 »

busymom0 wrote: post #440
polytely wrote: post #402

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Which journalists are getting multimillion salaries, that seems extremely high to me

Salary comparisons: https://thehill.com/homenews/media/347691-matt-lauer-and-and... https://www.thestreet.com/lifestyle/highest-paid-news-anchor... https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/don-lemon-chris-cuo... Also not exactly salary but the operating budgets of these corporations is massive. https://archive.is/aDOav > “The Atlantic needs to make $50 million in annual subscription revenue in order to break even, ac…

Maybe they are paid well at the very top, but I think journalist employment has dropped by half, or something like it. Remember very few journalists appear on CNN, write for the NYT, and even fewer have a name like Matt Lauer. Most are toiling away in trade journals, hyper-local websites, etc.

> the operating budgets of these corporations is massive.

> $50 million

$50 million is not a massive budget.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by wolverine876 »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #424
wolverine876 wrote: post #412

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A little confused: We do or don't have to choose? I agree with 'don't'; the idea that everything is politicized propaganda is a tool of the propagandists, like a liar saying 'everyone lies'.

We do not have to choose. The far-left/far-right dichotomy is a false dichotomy.

It would be much easier if you would just play the game like everyone else.
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