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After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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With this much bad PR (and Apple hates bad PR), why is Apple pretty much holding its position?

Potentially something like a national security letter and they can’t reveal the real reason behind it. I agree this feature is off-brand for Apple and came out of the blue.

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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It should be obvious by now that Apple has been coerced into building this scanning system, and the CSAM scanning is just the front for a much more broad "national security" backdoor. Apple's PR team has surely been shitting bricks for the entire week--this is the worst PR debacle they've had since the iPhone 4 Antennagate in 2010.

Completely agree. A friend of mine asked what was happening, and I just said "it's a big deal, biggest thing in a long time". Antennagate is a good comparison -- though this seems bigger. Impacts of Antennagate long term seemed minimal.

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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post #9

With this much bad PR (and Apple hates bad PR), why is Apple pretty much holding its position?

Potentially something like a national security letter and they can’t reveal the real reason behind it. I agree this feature is off-brand for Apple and came out of the blue.

Maybe this is the warrant canary

Lets push that idea so allies in the government can go looking and void it

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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post #9

With this much bad PR (and Apple hates bad PR), why is Apple pretty much holding its position?

They're convinced that it's worth the benefit to abused children to let the tech community vent fears about the world at them for a while. I don't really blame them. My views don't align with the mob here, so it would be a waste of my time to discuss them while y'all are upset and angry about this; best just to hold my position, remain silent or reserved, and wait for the pitchfork mob to find another target or exhaust itself. I'm honestly surprised Apple even commented at all.

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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post #4

How does that stop a FISA subpoena with a gag order? The system exists that any secret government order can exploit.

A FISA subpoena or an NSL can only compel Apple to give certain types of information that Apple already has. They can’t compel Apple to gather information they don’t already have.

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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So they're still retaining the ability to look on users devices? I have nothing against them looking at the abuse material, I have a problem with them having power over my device, which could be piggy-backed on by state actors (or others) for their own purposes later.

Nobody is against them trying to prevent child sexual abuse, pretty sure we all agree that fighting that is important, but doing so by creating what is essentially a back door of sorts into my devices isn't the right approach to doing so.

It sounds to me that this is still allowing them that access, so this changes absolutely nothing.

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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What happened to it being USA only? This sounds like one of those errors where they double down on it and call it a "solution". Sounds like they're misunderstanding people's concerns pretty badly. Sorry if we miscommunicated. Kill this "feature" yesterday. Thanks Tim!

This is just business. Governments around the world are thinking of breaking up the app store, and Apple is saying they'll help governments surveil on their citizens inside their walled garden. Would be a shame if users can escape from the surveillance by choosing alternates outside of the walled garden, wouldn't it?

Expect an App Store rule soon - all photos apps must scan for CSAM.

In a year, expect Signal to be banned from all app stores, just like how it's already banned from some countries.

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