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Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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here's a newer paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-24115-7 (no evidence ... just guesses ... just nature level publication guesses ... probably all wrong)

"So don't understand why actual reality contradicts this paper." This is similar as saying ... It had the biggest blizzard last winter in Texas, that's why Global Warming is a hoax. Where is this paper wrong? Maybe you spotted something that the peer reviewers didn't. Also you should submit your "scientific" observations of Texas ... because it's real reality (not science ... who needs the scientific method, when we…

Hundreds of labs recording tests across the state and reporting the data to the CDC.

Vs

Telephone call in reporting from the paper you linked.

Which one is more scientifically reliable I wonder?

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That's the wrong discussion to have. What's unacceptable is that a platform in a free speech country edits speech to conform to an authority it doesn't have.

This article is about a private company enforcing rules on its own website. Freedom of speech is specifically protecting people from the _government_ preventing their speech. But you knew that already.

The tone of your last sentence is not compatible with you apparent lack of information (best case) or omission (worst case) about these companies juridically categorizing themselves as platforms, as opposed to publishers, so they are not just "their website enforcing its own rules"? [1]

[1] While the First Amendment generally does not apply to private companies, the Supreme Court has held it “does not disable the government from taking steps to ensure that private interests not restrict . . . the free flow of information and ideas.” which is precisely what they are obscenely doing.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/platform-or-publisher-1588...

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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I've heavily worked out for 2 hours and worked in the office for 8 hours with a cloth mask without wetness issues. My experience may not be the same for others, but 15 minutes is an exaggeration. As early as April 2020 there was research indicating 2 layer cloth masks were at least 70% as effective as surgical masks, and the ones I have seal much better! Not to mention most people are wearing poorly fitted accordion…

Either your "heavy workouts" are not heavy, or you are the sand guy from the mummy.

Lol, I was going to reply that maybe he lived in the desert. I just put my undershirt up to my mouth and breathed deeply through it 5 times, and it was pretty damp. I don't think it is controversial that humans expel a lot of moisture through breathing.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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"So don't understand why actual reality contradicts this paper." This is similar as saying ... It had the biggest blizzard last winter in Texas, that's why Global Warming is a hoax. Where is this paper wrong? Maybe you spotted something that the peer reviewers didn't. Also you should submit your "scientific" observations of Texas ... because it's real reality (not science ... who needs the scientific method, when we…

Hundreds of labs recording tests across the state and reporting the data to the CDC. Vs Telephone call in reporting from the paper you linked. Which one is more scientifically reliable I wonder?

Didn't know the labs recorded if a person was wearing masks .. If they didn't the second is more reliable :)

Basic science if you dont measure something (e.g. how many people wear masks) you don't know anything. Fairly simple isn't it?

lol ... scientists are all wrong, because my gut tells me I'm right. That's not how it works. If you have studies that masks don't work (or are harmful) similar to the 3 linked on top .. There's also the lancet study and another nature study showing that masks reduce infection risks. Then please show me ... Yet don't come with anecdotes ( I know what happened in Texas .. Lol I know what happens in Hong Kong and Taiwan .. People just laugh about the US here :))

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Hundreds of labs recording tests across the state and reporting the data to the CDC. Vs Telephone call in reporting from the paper you linked. Which one is more scientifically reliable I wonder?

Didn't know the labs recorded if a person was wearing masks .. If they didn't the second is more reliable :) Basic science if you dont measure something (e.g. how many people wear masks) you don't know anything. Fairly simple isn't it? lol ... scientists are all wrong, because my gut tells me I'm right. That's not how it works. If you have studies that masks don't work (or are harmful) similar to the 3 linked on top…

To address several of your points:

> Basic science if you don't measure something (e.g. how many people wear masks) you don't know anything. Fairly simple isn't it?

So phone call in's are measuring...phone call ins, it measures neither covid tests nor mask usage? Seems like it's measuring even less?

> scientists are all wrong, because my gut tells me I'm right

I think the pro-mask people are listening to their gut more than anyone. I've never seen a more fanatical group who don't question their assumptions.

Here's just a few studies that contradict the narrative that masks are effective.

The effectiveness of masks in a community setting is not a settled fact.

Especially the CDC's policy of 'wear a dirty rag on your face until the waiter brings the breadsticks'.

https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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The masks work, but he only mentions a narrow use that isn't the current reason for wearing them. That's the misinformation; he got you, too. Think of it this way: "Don't wear a seatbelt because they don't keep other cars from hitting you."

Ah, I see, you're using "misinformation" to mean "came to a different conclusion than I did".

No, here it means "came to a different purpose than I and everybody else using science did."

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Which will result in them getting regulated. After being dragged before Congress over and over and being asked "why aren't you doing something about this?" And by the way, not sure what you mean by "required by law." Does that include when corporate lawyers say "if we leave this up, we are at risk of a judge fining us (or awarding someone suing us) a billion dollars." The law isn't crystal clear and black and white,…

> And by the way, not sure what you mean by "required by law." Does that include when corporate lawyers say "if we leave this up, we are at risk of a judge fining us (or awarding someone suing us) a billion dollars." I was thinking more along the lines of removing posts when ordered to by the government they are incorporated under or by one in whose country to they do business. And if someone finds child porn or some…

> They are only in this current mess because they voluntarily curate, often aggressively.

Does "make videos with lots of upvotes more visible" count as voluntary curation?

Even in the absence of that, hopefully you can see why they'd want to remove content as described in the points I listed above.

I'm not all the comfortable with all curation/moderation/censoring/etc being based on "government orders." That means that government will get more involved in this process, and corrupt governments will have more ability to control the narrative. Not sure you've thought this through.

It also is a very costly process currently for YouTube and facebook (etc). Do you want taxes to pay for that?

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Didn't know the labs recorded if a person was wearing masks .. If they didn't the second is more reliable :) Basic science if you dont measure something (e.g. how many people wear masks) you don't know anything. Fairly simple isn't it? lol ... scientists are all wrong, because my gut tells me I'm right. That's not how it works. If you have studies that masks don't work (or are harmful) similar to the 3 linked on top…

To address several of your points: > Basic science if you don't measure something (e.g. how many people wear masks) you don't know anything. Fairly simple isn't it? So phone call in's are measuring...phone call ins, it measures neither covid tests nor mask usage? Seems like it's measuring even less? > scientists are all wrong, because my gut tells me I'm right I think the pro-mask people are listening to their gut mo…

now we are getting somewhere... away from personal insults (and ad hominem attacks).

Honestly, if you show me proof about your position, I easily flip. that's the point of science, I'm happy to be proven wrong. That's what I like about HackerNews as well.

Yet, what you showed so far makes me rather worry.

I used nature papers from medicine (these are super hard to publish ... I have friends who tried. You need to be rigorous and on the top of your field in research. don't get me wrong there are issues with peer-review and publishing but they are nothing compared to the sources you currently shared).

Ok let's look at your papers. The first is not a paper, not even peer reviewed. It's a blog that is known to post factually wrong articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Policy_Research There is not even an author on the website. Wikipedia lists founders and authors unkown. The focus is also politics not medicine (seems no medical expert has ever looked at this). The wikipedia article has even lists were they debunk the claims of the article you posted.

Moving on to the bmjopen article. Yes, this is peer reviewed, in an open access journal. Compared to nature, I think I could be able to write an article that is published there ( Impact factor 3 compared to nature with over 14).

Still it's peer-reviewed and not blog propaganda from some unknown author. First of all, the paper does not say anything about the overall effectivness of masks.

They compare cloth masks with medical masks in healthcare workers. That matters. Also of course, here (and in Hong Kong) everybody wears surgical masks (and a lot of people wear cloth mask on top), so 2 masks. Makes sense doesn't it.

Again where is some scientific evidence that masks don't work? There is no evidence. The Texas example you bring up is an anecdote. I can bring an anecdote on how better HK, Taiwan and China dealt with the issue all of the people wearing masks and then where are we? We have no clue who is right. Then take in the advice of the majority of medical healthcare professionals (they advice to wear masks).

The expert in COVID-19, who made a test detecting it recommends wearing masks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Drosten

The people who are against masks just don't have that standing, they usually are not experts in virology (have never published scientifically), and don't seem to understand the difference between anecdotes and the scientific methods. You might find some that are not in there and I'm careful to listen and check their claims ... because I want to be proven wrong (This is how I learn, this is why I engage in discussion ... I want to see where I am wrong.). Your argumentation is unfortunately completely lagging.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Did you pass elementary school comprehension? Study: in simple terms, "can COVID live on and in masks" Rand Paul: "this study shows that these masks don't prevent COVID". I'm not talking about other studies. I'm not talking about anything else. There are plenty of inconclusive and concerning studies. But Rand Paul, who as you keep reminding us, is far more educated than all of us fascists, wilfully and repeatedly hel…

Numerous studies show that masks don't prevent Covid. He's right. Whether he's wrong about that one article or not (I'm not spending time looking into some technical little gotcha), there are numerous articles that corroborate his claim. Fascists deny alternative ideas by any means necessary including technicalitys even if the spirit of the idea is correct. It's what fascists do.

> Fascists deny alternative ideas by any means necessary including [technicalities] even if the spirit of the idea is correct.

> It’s what fascists do.

Nick, you’d be wise to listen to your own advice.

It is a fact that masks reduce the spread of disease.

They are not a silver bullet, but a tool for mitigation. The idea is to layer multiple risk-mitigating techniques.

Masks on their own are not enough, but masks plus distancing plus hand washing plus travel restrictions plus vaccines plus whatever else is somewhat effective combines to be something much more effective.

In one comment, you say to “stop spreading misinformation” and in another you say “numerous studies show that masks don’t prevent covid” and follow up with the comments about fascists.

You’re literally doing what you say fascists do.

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