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Re: FOSS app removed from the Play Store for linking to the project's website

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This is a perfect example of a line having to be drawn somewhere, but wherever you draw it is never going to be perfect in every case.

First of all -- app stores need to make money or at least break even. They cost a lot of money to run. So app stores take a cut of all transactions. If they let developers implement their own payment mechanisms, either in-app or with a single link, then developers will make every app free, with a link to their own payment, and the app store now becomes unsustainable and we're back to the same malware problems that plagued early versions of Windows.

At the same, there are legitimate use cases where an app is just one facet of a whole service, and so the app store lets users consume content purchased elsewhere, just not buy it directly -- see e.g. Kindle, etc.

Now how is an app store going to draw the line? Well an easy rule is: prohibit any information about payment, and prohibit a link to any page that has a link to make a payment or talks about making payments.

It's a pretty reasonable rule. So in this case, the developer had a link to a page that at the bottom has a link to make a payment. Not allowed.

Sure the developer can argue the reviewer had to "scroll to the very bottom of the page" but it doesn't matter. It's on the page. And then they say the reviewer had to "click through twice to find a way to contribute funds" but that's false -- clicking through twice is just part of the payment process. The main page already has direct links to Patreon and for PayPal.

Would it be nice if Google could add a subrule that links are allowed if they're at the very bottom of the page? Well how do you even define that, what if the page is a single sentence and then payment options? Or a rule that "donations" are allowed? Well then you get "donations" that come with "bonus functionality" and so forth, and a new line has to be drawn.

So is this annoying for the creator? Absolutely. But is Google hugely in the wrong? It's not perfect, but they had to make some kind of rule and the one they've got is pretty decent. Can the creator do anything about it? Yeah -- they can just link to a page on their website that doesn't contain donate buttons. It's really easy. Or else allow donations in-app but allow the app store to take their cut, which goes towards hosting, distribution and discovery of the app anyways.

Re: FOSS app removed from the Play Store for linking to the project's website

#92

Tell Google how you feel about that by searching "google app store alternatives", then installing Aurora Store. https://auroraoss.com/ https://gitlab.com/AuroraOSS From the Aurora Store FAQ: What is the difference between Aurora Store and Google's Play store? Unlike Google's Play Store, Aurora Store doesn't track your downloads or the apps you use. We respect your privacy. Aurora Store is also unaffected by Google ma…

How does this help? The Aurora Store is just an alternative Play Store client. If Google removes an app from the Play Store, it'll be gone from this too.

Aside from protection against profiling, it sends the message that users are aware of alternatives. Enough people doing that should in the long run discourage Google from bullying publishers that would have other means for distributing their software. I agree that it's not easy, and needs a lot of people jumping to alternative app stores before something could change, but I don't see other ways since it's clear that Google has no intention to listen to their users.

Re: FOSS app removed from the Play Store for linking to the project's website

#93
post #9

Would Google also be able to negatively influence such an app if the app was a PWA? Publishing PWA on Play Store might still lead to the same outcome, but what if it is just an independent PWA and is "installed" through the phone's browser? Of course you would loose some discoverability though, but are there other disadvantages? (provided the app is even feasible as a PWA)

They could make Chrome experience deliberately bad, if you believe they're not doing that currently.

Well, personally I use Firefox. Although I do have a suspition that Google has found some way of keeping Firefox experience on mobile inferior in some way. Just speculating.

Re: FOSS app removed from the Play Store for linking to the project's website

#94
post #38

This is absolutely outrageous and disgusting from Google. I cannot believe how at the rate the world is changing (pace wise, with each new technological breakthrough) the law simply cannot keep pace. We've allowed AI systems unfettered, unrestricted access to our lives. AI is being deployed with absolutely no oversight (Apple's CSAM comes to mind), I'm not even sure there are any laws at all. How can apple just deplo…

> This is absolutely outrageous and disgusting from Google This is Google. At this point this is expected behaviour from one of the Big Tech Tyrants, Over [0] and over [1] and over [2] again [3] multiple [4] times [5]. Unless we seriously break it up, they will never change and the suspensions will continue. Like Facebook, when you are banned by their AI moderation tools, there is little redemption and it's unlikely…

tyrants

That old saying about patriots and tyrants comes to mind...

Re: FOSS app removed from the Play Store for linking to the project's website

#95

I really hope Epic wins the lawsuit against Apple and that the laws being announced in the US Senate/House get passed. I also hope the EU start pushing against this kind of stuff more. Apple and Google have too much control.

Y'all are too optimistic.

I will predict for you the future of that, based on the past.

The next people in line who control most devices are the carriers.

They will set up app stores that are required on their phones (since the laws will not prevent this).

Each will have exclusive apps that require their app store be installed (and will not be available on other phones).

Things will be a mishmash.

Nobody will be actually happy.

The carriers also have great lobbyists, and are really great at doing this kind of thing.

It will take a long time to undo it.

Re: FOSS app removed from the Play Store for linking to the project's website

#96
post #75

When a company has to remove the motto "Don't be evil" You know something is not well

Please be mindful not to spread misinformation. The motto is still featured in their code of conduct as it always was.

https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/

Re: FOSS app removed from the Play Store for linking to the project's website

#97
post #35

This is outrageous. Google definitely lived long enough to become a villain. It is incredible how much goodwill they've lost in the past decade. When was the last time they did anything good ?

> When was the last time they did anything good? Oh I dunno... how about that time they solved protein folding? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03348-4

Mad science to prove the point.

Re: FOSS app removed from the Play Store for linking to the project's website

#98
post #38

This is absolutely outrageous and disgusting from Google. I cannot believe how at the rate the world is changing (pace wise, with each new technological breakthrough) the law simply cannot keep pace. We've allowed AI systems unfettered, unrestricted access to our lives. AI is being deployed with absolutely no oversight (Apple's CSAM comes to mind), I'm not even sure there are any laws at all. How can apple just deplo…

> This is absolutely outrageous and disgusting from Google This is Google. At this point this is expected behaviour from one of the Big Tech Tyrants, Over [0] and over [1] and over [2] again [3] multiple [4] times [5]. Unless we seriously break it up, they will never change and the suspensions will continue. Like Facebook, when you are banned by their AI moderation tools, there is little redemption and it's unlikely…

I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted -- the top comment and highest rated replies are bikeshedding about AI, you're actually showing that this is a pattern of shitty behaviour by Google.

Re: FOSS app removed from the Play Store for linking to the project's website

#99

I really hope Epic wins the lawsuit against Apple and that the laws being announced in the US Senate/House get passed. I also hope the EU start pushing against this kind of stuff more. Apple and Google have too much control.

I hope Epic wins also.

My opinion is that Google, and Apple are Bundling/Tying at multiple levels, and using monopoly power in a way that stifles the market, and impedes innovation.

This is some good stuff on some of these issues https://www.justice.gov/atr/chapter-5-antitrust-issues-tying...

Re: FOSS app removed from the Play Store for linking to the project's website

#100

This is outrageous. Google definitely lived long enough to become a villain. It is incredible how much goodwill they've lost in the past decade. When was the last time they did anything good ?

That is very black and white thinking. Large organizations can do both good and terrible things. Google still serves are huge portion of search traffic which pretty clearly is a good thing. Youtube has an incredible wealth of tutorials & educational content. Deepmind is pushing the boundaries of what is possible. Various OSS projects continue to be pushed out. Gmail has been an amazing free resource for millions etc.…

Yeah, google does awful shit every day but it's worth remembering that Maps, Search and YouTube are world-changing resources.

All three have their problems (especially that third one) but they have done an incredible amount of Good in the world and they continue to do so every day.

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