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It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by User23 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #201
User23 wrote: post #165

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> I'm not sure why you are being down-voted for voicing your position. The climate zealots here are extremely aggressive with the downvoting. And yes the description zealot is fair. Denier is their word for heretic. Another sign of zealotry is the inability to recognize nuance. For example my pointing out that climate zealots act like zealots is observably true, but their brains will shut down and immediately label m…

> For example my pointing out that climate zealots act like zealots is observably true That's a tautology. Perhaps you could explain who exactly is a 'climate zealot', and why, without just painting everyone who doesn't agree with you as one.

First, “observably” means I was making an empirical claim. The basis may be tautological which is to say logically sound, but the key point is that I and others have observed zealotry.

Second, persons who are climate zealots are the ones who act like zealots about climate, rather than pornography or any other number of hobbyhorses that zealots obsess over. I think it’s fair to assume most everyone reading this is educated and experienced enough to know what a zealot is. It’s not up to me who is or isn’t a climate zealot, the class is duck typed. So much for that.

Third, I’m not painting people who disagree with me as anything, because there aren’t any people who disagree with me. How exactly does one disagree with someone who has no belief to disagree with?

Edit: Thank you zealots for proving my point.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by yongjik »

rickspencer3 wrote: post #106
lmilcin wrote: post #8

Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.

Remember that global warming is not real. If it is real, then we don't know what is causing it. If we do know what is causing, it is not humans. If we do know it is humans causing it, then there is nothing we can do about it. If there is something we can do about it, it's not worth it, think of the jobs.

You forgot: "It's too late anyway."

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by frhack »

I suspect that global warming is growing at an exponential rate. It would surprise me if it weren't so. Every effect of global warming contributes to fueling it. If it is indeed exponential growth, expect the effects to double over the doubling time, probably in the order of years.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by titzer »

starik36 wrote: post #143
cryptoz wrote: post #78

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I am very left, and despise Biden's refusal to address climate change where it counts, like fraking. But honestly, the new boss is not the same as the old boss, even with climate change. The new boss does in fact acknowledge it exists, rather than insisting that all climate change is a hoax and it is invented by China to hurt the US. Biden is not making the progress I'd like to see, but he is in no way as bad as the…

This is nonsense. Whether someone virtue signals or not, actions are what's important, not words. The CO2 emissions output has been coming down since the high in 2006. With the old boss and the new boss. https://www.statista.com/statistics/183943/us-carbon-dioxide... If anything, fracking helped the environment, since it offset resources being mined by the traditional, more wasteful methods.

> This is nonsense.

Deleting this sentence from your comment really improves not only your argument, but the tone of discussion. It just makes things needlessly adversarial to lead with fighting words, and for sure it triggers defensive mental antibodies before you've even started.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by kart23 »

suby wrote: post #235
kart23 wrote: post #148

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50 million years ago, there were forests in the arctic and the earth was much hotter than it is right now. Climate change comes in both man-made and natural varieties, and it's important to acknowledge the difference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eocene

The rate of change matters, it's a crucial factor. Typically when the climate changes it's over the course of thousands of years. This in contrast is a rapid change. I'm also not sure what your point even is. "Climate change comes in both man-made and natural varieties?" Ok, and this time happens to be manmade, so maybe we should do something about it.

You're absolutely right. Our current climate change is mandmade, and we need to do something about it. But saying climate change in general is only manmade is wrong, which is what I thought the commenter was saying.

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Post by jacquesm »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #253
SigmundA wrote: post #21

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Most of the deniers I know have shifted from it doesn't exist to either its not man made and just a natural cycle or it may actually be a good thing because plants like CO2 and warmth...

Personally I'm more concerned about the absolutely tepid response by folks who allegedly believe in climate change. I don't know how we are going to put a dent in climate change without something like carbon pricing (something that incentivizes us to reduce our carbon emissions). Instead the best case is that we're going to write progressives a check for $3.5T and they'll use a little bit of it to create a "civilian…

That's because quite a few of them have already simply given up. This oil tanker that we've built is not made to turn on a dime and that's what it would take to solve this. So it's a mitigation action at best at this point, reduce the force of the impact and look after your own. It's pretty sad in a way.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by [deleted] »

k33n wrote: post #244
underscore_ku wrote: post #217

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same rednecks vote for trump...

Proudly! His policy positions resulted in us being energy independent, reformed our prisons, and ended the forever-wars. Then there's the vaccine that Democrat leadership advised their constituents not to take. The Trump haters believe that an election should be a popularity contest, and not a contest of policy and ideas.

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Post by sherp »

headmelted wrote: post #73
cryptoz wrote: post #51

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> It’s a good reminder never to assume malice when plain old stupidity is on the table. We are only in this mess because of this attitude. Don't let evil people get away with evil things just because you think they are stupid. The current groups that believe climate change isn't real all believe that because of decades of misinformation specifically targeted at them, by Exxon and others. Malice is 100% present and 10…

Correct. But the reason they believe it is because they’re stupid. The fossil fuel lobby is malicious. Their audience is gullible. That’s all I’m saying. I’m not even saying being a gullible fool on this issue is acceptable. It’s clearly not. I feel the same about this lot as about the anti-vaxxers, which is “read a book before you get anyone else killed”.

I think you're underestimating the role motivated belief (aka 'wishful thinking') plays on the part of the audience.

If your livelihood depends on a certain industry, or you simply don't feel like making sacrifices, it's extremely easy and comforting to believe the side of the 'debate' that says the problem doesn't exist, even if their evidence is patently flimsy.

This is neither outright stupidity or outright malice, but a pernicious mentality that includes a bit of both. That is why the 'ignorance or malice' question is not a productive framing - the two are not mutually exclusive.

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Post by recursive »

dexter89_kp3 wrote: post #160
rvz wrote: post #96

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so stop train your deep models

Both are power supply issues (i.e how the power gets generated) rather than actual bad use cases.

That's one way to look at it. On the other hand, if you know how your power is getting generated, you can try to minimize it until such time as it's not causing negative externalities.
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