I’ve struggled with this and my solution was to quit and change career to be a tradesman, starting school again at the end of the month. A novel was written about this from the relationship side in the 90’s by a webdev: Whatever by Michel Houellebecq, I haven’t read it but it’s in the mail.
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#13> In contrast with them, I feel like a weirdo, mumbling and struggling to come up with anything interesting to say. I doubt you're a weirdo. It sounds like you have navigated through a set of priorities that positioned you as more of a social introvert. It also sounds like you are in search of a new skillset or social system though? I am a personality expert and trainer by vocation, and find that it's even easier to…
Progressing from an introvert to a coach/trainer sounds like a tremendous accomplishment.
> It sounds like you have navigated through a set of priorities that positioned you as more of a social introvert.
I may have been overly jaded / hyperbolic in my original post, but this pretty much sums up my point.
Working remotely comes with some amazing perks, but in the long term, it naturally nudges you, day by day, towards becoming an introvert with a boring, sedentary life. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that, but for some it may just not seem like the best possible version of themselves.
The question is, what are the different ways and tricks to navigate your life and grow your personality in a more fulfilling direction.
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#14I’ve struggled with this and my solution was to quit and change career to be a tradesman, starting school again at the end of the month. A novel was written about this from the relationship side in the 90’s by a webdev: Whatever by Michel Houellebecq, I haven’t read it but it’s in the mail.
Nice, I hope it works out for you! Would you mind sharing how old are you now?
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#15I’ve struggled with this and my solution was to quit and change career to be a tradesman, starting school again at the end of the month. A novel was written about this from the relationship side in the 90’s by a webdev: Whatever by Michel Houellebecq, I haven’t read it but it’s in the mail.
Just curious, what trade? I was a tradesman (upholsterer) before I was a programmer, and it had its ups and its downs. Moving the body around all day and actually improving the physical world were big highlights though!
The other comments in this thread involve piling on a second job or getting deep in a hobby, which ate up the rest of my time and never quite worked. This comment by Xenophon summed up programming for me, even though I still enjoy it:
‘Men do indeed speak ill of those occupations which are called handicrafts, and they are rightly held of little repute in communities, because they weaken the bodies of those who make their living at them by compelling them to sit and pass their days indoors. Some indeed work all the time by a fire. But when the body becomes effeminate (thelunomenos) the mind too is debilitated. Besides, these mechanical occupations (banausos) leave a man no leisure to attend to his friends' interests, or the public interest. This class therefore cannot be of much use to his friends or defend his country. Indeed, some states, especially the most warlike, do not allow a citizen to engage in these handicraft occupations.’
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#16There is value in the forced interactions of a workplace, especially for introverts (like myself) who are perfectly capable/happy to go days or weeks without in-person communication. Eloquence requires practice to acquire and maintain and you get less practice when working remotely. However, the forced interactions of a workplace lack quality and diversity of topics and audience, especially when compared to the vast…
Well, I'm pretty sure the average construction worker is way stronger and tougher than the average coder with a gym subscription.
Try comparing a hobby musician with a professional one. The first one may be devoted, but he'll have a natural tendency to practice songs that he personally likes, and up to the level which is personally acceptable to him. Unless he gets bored and ends up browsing memes for the rest of the evening. The professional one will have to learn all kinds of different material, at the level required for playing to the audience, and for a specific deadline.
I've tried some of the items from your list, especially in my 20s I had quite an active hobby life, but if socializing with people requires an active effort, not always works out, and you don't have strong external motivations, you eventually end up looking for excuses to browse memes in the evenings.
Not to mention that accomplished people tend to stay in their own social circles, and don't usually hang around networking events / hobby groups looking for new people to meet.
> - Read a book out loud. Yes, even vocalizing alone is good exercise as it forces you to do what you're missing when working remotely, which is to quiet your mind and focus on speech.
This sounds like a particularly depressing idea. I absolutely don't want to be spending my life reading books out loud to practice my own speaking.
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#17Ah the human (or maybe mammalian?) concept of social status. In the animal world there probably are life and death reasons (getting food, physical security, etc.) for fitting in a social status/hierarchy. You have skills and income that eliminate that from being something you need to be concerned with in modern human society. You state you've been freelancing for 10 years and make 2x more than devs that are local. I'…
Sure, but if you already have food, shelter and safety, what else is there to live for?
Some people argue that social status is a deeply rooted part of our animal (not only mammalian) nature, rather than merely a concept, and that it's necessary for your long term well-being [1].
[1] https://www.ulm.edu/~palmer/TheBiochemistryofStatusandtheFun...
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#18It’s also relatively rare to come across devs who are as eloquent as people in other fields (they do exist obviously) though I have come across many curt and quiet lawyers and accountants.
I think the best bet is to get this from somewhere else, I found dating really helped me. You need thick skin for that one. Maybe helping out in the community or joining a sports team might give you what you’re after.
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#20There is value in the forced interactions of a workplace, especially for introverts (like myself) who are perfectly capable/happy to go days or weeks without in-person communication. Eloquence requires practice to acquire and maintain and you get less practice when working remotely. However, the forced interactions of a workplace lack quality and diversity of topics and audience, especially when compared to the vast…
> It's sort of like saying, "Now that I'm no longer busting rocks on a chain gang, I don't get any physical exercise." The response to which would be fairly straightforward, right? Join a gym, exercise at home, take up weightlifting as a hobby, etc Well, I'm pretty sure the average construction worker is way stronger and tougher than the average coder with a gym subscription. Try comparing a hobby musician with a pro…