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It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by koheripbal »

headmelted wrote: post #63
SigmundA wrote: post #21

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Most of the deniers I know have shifted from it doesn't exist to either its not man made and just a natural cycle or it may actually be a good thing because plants like CO2 and warmth...

I think part of the problem is that we started talking about global warming (“nice! More sunshine!!”) to climate change (“cool! We get too much snow here anyway!!”). Maybe instead of talking about climate change, which is a symptom and not the problem, we should talk about “destabilising the atmosphere”. I feel like people will find it harder to use nonsense arguments if they’re confronted with the problem rather tha…

Semantics aren't going to change anything.

You have to provide very specific and likely negative outcomes to specific regions.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by redisman »

jacquesm wrote: post #62
imoverclocked wrote: post #45

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I want to know what percentage of people overlap between anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers and climate deniers. Are they largely the same group or do we actually have disparate groups that think science is somehow just another religion?

Yes, I think you are right that there is significant overlap between 'extreme right' 'anti vaxx' 'climate denial' and quite possibly 'white power' and the modern version of Christianity as well, it would be nice to see some hard proof or a refutation of this.

Not just modern Christianity. It had a “softer” phase for the last hundred or so years but it’s been a authoritarian and power hungry organization for over a thousand years.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by [deleted] »

cusenses wrote: post #53
headmelted wrote: post #27

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“It probably gave the bicyclists cancer” I said this to someone who showed me one of these videos once and they basically told me to wise up and stop being paranoid. How about the whole world stops being a pack of idiots instead?

> How about the whole world stops being a pack of idiots instead? Maybe you can start that?

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Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by bzzzt »

joshgrib wrote: post #18
orf wrote: post #7

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal And this is still a thing.

I know someone who does this and also argues at the same time that diesel engines are better for the environment, I'm pretty sure based on the efficiency but ignoring the exhaust

That's true: diesel engines generally have higher mpg and lower CO2 emissions than gasoline. Problem is they emit higher levels of nitrogen oxide (ask Volkswagen) which beside being a greenhouse gas also poisons the environment. Presumably newer cars with Adblue systems which greatly reduce the amount of emitted NOX could be better for the environment than gasoline powered cars.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by UnpossibleJim »

systemvoltage wrote: post #30
orf wrote: post #7

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal And this is still a thing.

This always gets brought up and it's a distraction from the real coal power plants that contribute to double digit CO2 emissions. Some guy blowing up smoke in the truck might make you raged but it's misplaced. Can we get raged at the coal powered power plants?

https://www.ecori.org/climate-change/2019/10/4/global-warmin....

There are more than just power plants to worry about... Concrete is 8% of our CO^2 emissions, agriculture is 9%. There are these things that no one thinks about that need to be addressed as well that sneak under the radar. There are teams working on them that don't get the glitz and glamour (or funding) that will make an impact, if adopted.

EDIT:

I'm not downplaying transportation pollution... just a quick edit to make it clear.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by pengaru »

echelon wrote: post #15
orf wrote: post #7

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal And this is still a thing.

Yeah, these assholes: (Warning: these videos will make you very mad.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS5psOvHFIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdDxjge5hmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHmJSsRLgj4 https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/j1yj0c/trum... This should be some sort of crime. edit: Sorry, I edited out my comment about this probably giving bikers cancer after I included more videos. This can't…

I'm not sure getting more views on videos posted by coal-rollers is a particularly effective way to discourage the behavior.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by worldsayshi »

pbuzbee wrote: post #31
SigmundA wrote: post #21

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Most of the deniers I know have shifted from it doesn't exist to either its not man made and just a natural cycle or it may actually be a good thing because plants like CO2 and warmth...

Agreed. I see less overall denial and instead more softening of the denial. "The earth's climate has always changed!" and "Sure climate is changing, but can you even say what an ideal climate is?"

I feel that much of the lack of a feeling of urgency comes from people not grasping the inertia and scale of things.

I remember when covid started out and there was all those expectations on emissions going down. I got the feeling that some people thought that if we stopped "doing things" emissions would go down to almost zero and if emissions would go down to zero then the problem would be gone almost instantaneously.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by cryptoz »

orf wrote: post #37
gruez wrote: post #23

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As much as this is (anti?) virtue-signaling, it's not really a contributor to global warming. Idling the engine for a minute or two probably causes more co2 emissions. The main concern is the particulate emissions.

It’s not the act itself, it’s the fact that there is a segment of the population that will spend thousands of dollars to modify their cars to pollute more, so that they can try and humiliate people driving hybrid and electric cars. That’s a symptom of a much, much deeper problem.

See also, exhibit B, https://twitter.com/colinaverill/status/1414273471853514756

"Okay apparently in Texas we have moved past climate denial within the oil and gas industry to outright CHEERING ON THE RCP 8.5 APOCALYPSE"

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by systemvoltage »

myko wrote: post #69
systemvoltage wrote: post #30

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This always gets brought up and it's a distraction from the real coal power plants that contribute to double digit CO2 emissions. Some guy blowing up smoke in the truck might make you raged but it's misplaced. Can we get raged at the coal powered power plants?

The problem is it is difficult to solve the issue with the coal powered plants when huge segments of the population are fine with "rolling coal" and think it's good to dump on EVs and green policy in general.

So the answer is to get raged at Rolling coal and that’ll change their minds?
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