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It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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api wrote: post #32
imoverclocked wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the plethora of scientists claiming that it was an issue not factor in at all?

The scientists seemed to have a single political leaning, which made me more skeptical. I saw it as religious apologetics for green ideology. The presence of any strong uniform ideology makes me extremely skeptical just like political interest does. I'd summarize as: I assume that strong ideological beliefs or political motives make people irrational, dishonest, and untrustworthy.

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Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by jacquesm »

imoverclocked wrote: post #45
lmilcin wrote: post #8

Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.

I want to know what percentage of people overlap between anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers and climate deniers. Are they largely the same group or do we actually have disparate groups that think science is somehow just another religion?

Yes, I think you are right that there is significant overlap between 'extreme right' 'anti vaxx' 'climate denial' and quite possibly 'white power' and the modern version of Christianity as well, it would be nice to see some hard proof or a refutation of this.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by headmelted »

SigmundA wrote: post #21
lmilcin wrote: post #8

Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.

Most of the deniers I know have shifted from it doesn't exist to either its not man made and just a natural cycle or it may actually be a good thing because plants like CO2 and warmth...

I think part of the problem is that we started talking about global warming (“nice! More sunshine!!”) to climate change (“cool! We get too much snow here anyway!!”).

Maybe instead of talking about climate change, which is a symptom and not the problem, we should talk about “destabilising the atmosphere”.

I feel like people will find it harder to use nonsense arguments if they’re confronted with the problem rather than the explanation.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by tetha »

lmilcin wrote: post #33
SigmundA wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the deniers I know have shifted from it doesn't exist to either its not man made and just a natural cycle or it may actually be a good thing because plants like CO2 and warmth...

The "it's not man made" and "just a natural cycle" is easily disproven by showing historical temperatures change where it does, by pure accident, a hockey stick trick just last century. Or it would if the audience wasn't resistant to proofs altogether...

The relevant xkcd[1] beautifully rubs that in.

1: https://xkcd.com/1732/

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by pweezy »

lmilcin wrote: post #33
SigmundA wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the deniers I know have shifted from it doesn't exist to either its not man made and just a natural cycle or it may actually be a good thing because plants like CO2 and warmth...

The "it's not man made" and "just a natural cycle" is easily disproven by showing historical temperatures change where it does, by pure accident, a hockey stick trick just last century. Or it would if the audience wasn't resistant to proofs altogether...

XKCD's "Earth Temperature Timeline" is an excellent visualization of this: https://xkcd.com/1732/

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by [deleted] »

majormajor wrote: post #43
api wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was very much a skeptic until I started seeing more and more real world (as opposed to just models) evidence. I am pretty convinced now. My skepticism was rooted in the fact that politicians, pundits, and the media were trying to scare me about it. Any time politicians or the media try to scare me about anything my default response is to assume it's a get out the vote drive or a power grab and to become extremely s…

Politicians were also saying "there's nothing to worry about." Shouldn't you be at least equally skeptical whenever someone in power promotes maintaining the status quo? Seems like a rather useless razor, since politicians often both say pro- and against- arguments for things. But here especially, "politicians" or "the media" trying to scare you about it is a bit of a red herring. E.g., the media was talking about it…

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Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by myko »

systemvoltage wrote: post #30
orf wrote: post #7

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal And this is still a thing.

This always gets brought up and it's a distraction from the real coal power plants that contribute to double digit CO2 emissions. Some guy blowing up smoke in the truck might make you raged but it's misplaced. Can we get raged at the coal powered power plants?

The problem is it is difficult to solve the issue with the coal powered plants when huge segments of the population are fine with "rolling coal" and think it's good to dump on EVs and green policy in general.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by edgyquant »

whytaka wrote: post #59

Personally, I have lost hope. The ocean temperatures will continue rising, the ecosystem of micro-organisms that provide the majority of the planet's oxygen will collapse, the seasons will become completely undependable for agriculture, the massive reservoirs of methane under permafrost will explode into the atmosphere, forests around the world will burn, and the reservoirs of potable water will dry up. My cynical be…

> ecosystem of micro-organisms that provide the majority of the planet's oxygen will collapse,

Citation needed. This is the doomsaying that people see, then see legit science doesn’t suggest this, and assume it’s all as real as the book of revelations. We need to spread real information not act like the world will legitimately end because the temperature goes up to what it was 3 million years ago.

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