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It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by cryptoz »

headmelted wrote: post #35
SigmundA wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the deniers I know have shifted from it doesn't exist to either its not man made and just a natural cycle or it may actually be a good thing because plants like CO2 and warmth...

I had to explain this to a relative who started in with the “the earth has always had climate change” jibberish. They tried to tell me no-one knows how the last Ice Age happened. So I explained, but because they didn’t understand any of the concepts involved they thought I was just making it up. It’s a good reminder never to assume malice when plain old stupidity is on the table.

> It’s a good reminder never to assume malice when plain old stupidity is on the table.

We are only in this mess because of this attitude. Don't let evil people get away with evil things just because you think they are stupid. The current groups that believe climate change isn't real all believe that because of decades of misinformation specifically targeted at them, by Exxon and others.

Malice is 100% present and 100% at fault for this. Greedy companies wanted more short term money and knew that it would kill millions of people and cause untold chaos and they didn't care.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by polote »

lmilcin wrote: post #8

Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.

> Who still believes global warming does not exist?

The same people who think there are more risks for old people to take the covid vaccine than to not take it.

Not everyone is rational, and especially on climate change were acting means much more than moving 10km to get the vaccine

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by cusenses »

headmelted wrote: post #27
echelon wrote: post #15

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Yeah, these assholes: (Warning: these videos will make you very mad.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS5psOvHFIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdDxjge5hmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHmJSsRLgj4 https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/j1yj0c/trum... This should be some sort of crime. edit: Sorry, I edited out my comment about this probably giving bikers cancer after I included more videos. This can't…

“It probably gave the bicyclists cancer” I said this to someone who showed me one of these videos once and they basically told me to wise up and stop being paranoid. How about the whole world stops being a pack of idiots instead?

> How about the whole world stops being a pack of idiots instead?

Maybe you can start that?

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by bitsoda »

orf wrote: post #7

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal And this is still a thing.

Thanks, I see this occasionally in South Florida, but never knew there was a term for it. If it were me I'd have pulled over my bike for 10 minutes and waited for the air to clear. I'll never understand the motivations of some people...

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by 8ytecoder »

headmelted wrote: post #35
SigmundA wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the deniers I know have shifted from it doesn't exist to either its not man made and just a natural cycle or it may actually be a good thing because plants like CO2 and warmth...

I had to explain this to a relative who started in with the “the earth has always had climate change” jibberish. They tried to tell me no-one knows how the last Ice Age happened. So I explained, but because they didn’t understand any of the concepts involved they thought I was just making it up. It’s a good reminder never to assume malice when plain old stupidity is on the table.

It’s stupid to not be able to understand something. It’s malice when they don’t want to understand something. Are you sure they want to but can’t?

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by mfer »

lmilcin wrote: post #33
SigmundA wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the deniers I know have shifted from it doesn't exist to either its not man made and just a natural cycle or it may actually be a good thing because plants like CO2 and warmth...

The "it's not man made" and "just a natural cycle" is easily disproven by showing historical temperatures change where it does, by pure accident, a hockey stick trick just last century. Or it would if the audience wasn't resistant to proofs altogether...

A long time ago I leaned that no one wins an argument. When it comes to choosing a side in an argument, people end up defending their side to the end. I think it can get worse when the other side is unfriendly.

This is what we have today when it comes to climate stuff. It's not a conversation. It's often not polite. This has the sad effect of pushing many people we disagree with further into their position. Which is exactly what we don't want.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by skeeter2020 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #25
whall6 wrote: post #19

Why is every other post on hacker news about climate change

Because it's of interest to hackers. Why? Partly because it's a technical problem, and partly because we care about the environment, because that's where we live.

>> Why? Partly because it's a technical problem

Once the deniers soften this is always their answer. The reality is nobody is prepared to sacrifice to the extent demanded, skeptics and alarmists alike.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by whytaka »

Personally, I have lost hope. The ocean temperatures will continue rising, the ecosystem of micro-organisms that provide the majority of the planet's oxygen will collapse, the seasons will become completely undependable for agriculture, the massive reservoirs of methane under permafrost will explode into the atmosphere, forests around the world will burn, and the reservoirs of potable water will dry up.

My cynical belief is that amongst conservative leadership, there is already consensus that climate change will take place. The anti-immigrant agenda is advanced preparation to repel the imminent hordes of climate refugees out of Fortress America.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by edgyquant »

imoverclocked wrote: post #29
api wrote: post #22

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I was very much a skeptic until I started seeing more and more real world (as opposed to just models) evidence. I am pretty convinced now. My skepticism was rooted in the fact that politicians, pundits, and the media were trying to scare me about it. Any time politicians or the media try to scare me about anything my default response is to assume it's a get out the vote drive or a power grab and to become extremely s…

Did the plethora of scientists claiming that it was an issue not factor in at all?

To be frank the science is way less apocalyptic in nature than certain politicians and people tend to be rhetorically speaking. Climate change isn’t going to wipe out humanity or all life on Earth and I’ve never seen a legit paper even come close to suggesting this. Yet I hear it from Joe blow all the time.
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