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It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by eli »

vkou wrote: post #17
thatguy0900 wrote: post #12

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I suspect more deniers just think it will be the next generations problem rather than something that entirely doesn't exist, personally

I think denialism has moved on to 'We're fine as we are, this is a problem that developing countries should be solving.'

I think the more important headline is the numbers of climate change deniers is shrinking and the number of people who want to take action is growing.

Half of all voters say it is a "critical threat," up from 40% in 2017 according to https://morningconsult.com/2021/04/27/paris-agreement-climat...

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by jacquesm »

headmelted wrote: post #27
echelon wrote: post #15

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Yeah, these assholes: (Warning: these videos will make you very mad.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS5psOvHFIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdDxjge5hmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHmJSsRLgj4 https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/j1yj0c/trum... This should be some sort of crime. edit: Sorry, I edited out my comment about this probably giving bikers cancer after I included more videos. This can't…

“It probably gave the bicyclists cancer” I said this to someone who showed me one of these videos once and they basically told me to wise up and stop being paranoid. How about the whole world stops being a pack of idiots instead?

Oh, we'll stop alright. But not in the way that you probably intended. Earth is a pretty good self-correcting system that acts with total disregard for pesky little organisms that are along for the ride.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by majormajor »

api wrote: post #22
lmilcin wrote: post #8

Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.

I was very much a skeptic until I started seeing more and more real world (as opposed to just models) evidence. I am pretty convinced now. My skepticism was rooted in the fact that politicians, pundits, and the media were trying to scare me about it. Any time politicians or the media try to scare me about anything my default response is to assume it's a get out the vote drive or a power grab and to become extremely s…

Politicians were also saying "there's nothing to worry about." Shouldn't you be at least equally skeptical whenever someone in power promotes maintaining the status quo?

Seems like a rather useless razor, since politicians often both say pro- and against- arguments for things.

But here especially, "politicians" or "the media" trying to scare you about it is a bit of a red herring. E.g., the media was talking about it because scientists were making claims. Scientists have been wrong before, of course, but discounting the claim because "the media" picked up on it instead of looking into things like "how many scientists" "how long is the trend" "what is the reasoning" is just foolish.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by marcyb5st »

Rijek33 wrote: post #13

Don't think science will save us this time lads

Agreed. We are already beyond the tipping point. Positive feedback loops already kicked in (thawing of Tundra, lower albedo due to glaciers melting, ...). We would need to go carbon negative right away and stay at those levels for years. Or go big about engineering the climate until we carbon levels return to normal levels.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by imoverclocked »

lmilcin wrote: post #8

Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.

I want to know what percentage of people overlap between anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers and climate deniers. Are they largely the same group or do we actually have disparate groups that think science is somehow just another religion?

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by edgyquant »

lmilcin wrote: post #33
SigmundA wrote: post #21

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Most of the deniers I know have shifted from it doesn't exist to either its not man made and just a natural cycle or it may actually be a good thing because plants like CO2 and warmth...

The "it's not man made" and "just a natural cycle" is easily disproven by showing historical temperatures change where it does, by pure accident, a hockey stick trick just last century. Or it would if the audience wasn't resistant to proofs altogether...

To play devils advocate, they could say that they would need to zoom out to a couple thousands years to be sure or (I’ve actually heard this one) that it is a coincidence that temperatures picked up after the industrial revolution since the little ice age ended around the same time.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by CydeWeys »

api wrote: post #32
imoverclocked wrote: post #29

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Did the plethora of scientists claiming that it was an issue not factor in at all?

The scientists seemed to have a single political leaning, which made me more skeptical. I saw it as religious apologetics for green ideology. The presence of any strong uniform ideology makes me extremely skeptical just like political interest does. I'd summarize as: I assume that strong ideological beliefs or political motives make people irrational, dishonest, and untrustworthy.

It's a scientific issue though, not a political one. You shouldn't ever have been evaluating it through the lens of politics. You fell into that one side vs the other political trap.
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