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Co-founder of Snopes was writing plagiarized articles under a fake name

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Re: Co-founder of Snopes was writing plagiarized articles under a fake name

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Honestly I can almost imagine a way to arrive at this conclusion without it being shifty (although no idea what the case actually is here). If you're going to debunk an article about something like a lack of vaccine safety and need to retract a couple of sentences later, but the overall conclusion is the same, then the conspiracists will be right on you with a diff of the changes from the archive trying to piece toge…

That is a good thing. I want to see those changes. Preventing people from seeing the change log of a page because "conspiracy theorists might use it" is dangerous thinking. Saying that it's okay to forego transparency because it could be used to bolster people who disagree with you is backwards. That's precisely why transparency should be retained - when you're the person disagreeing, it benefits you.

Case in point: On Jan 6, NPR published an article with a 10AM headline and timestamp about the upcoming Trump rally.

Later in the day, they changed the headline to be something like "Insurgents invade Capital building", but did not change the 10AM timestamp up top. One had to read the article to find the update timestamp.

Newsmaxx, and thus many if its viewers looked at the headline and headline timestamp and trumpeted "how did they know?! It's a conspiracy!"

I had to look into the wayback machine to see the original headline to show to a relative who'd bought the Newsmaxx narrative. I'm not sure they totally believed or even understood what I was telling them, but I am certain it raised some doubt.

All of that would was unnecessary, if only NPR had done proper change management on its articles.

Re: Co-founder of Snopes was writing plagiarized articles under a fake name

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How is this not a better established position? I see Snopes as pure, unadulterated bias. Honestly, I see all those fact checking websites the same way. Which is fine, though humorously this pairs nicely with another thread on HN this morning about HS critical thinking courses around journalism, quite well.

Really? So you think Trump was wearing his pants backwards at this rally? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-wear-pants-backwards... Snopes says he wasn't , and shows evidence why. That's just "pure, unadulterated bias" though, right? His pants are on backwards? Otherwise "I see Snopes as pure, unadulterated bias" would be such a broad generalization it's meaningless!

Your argument that because a known biased “fact checker” chose not to pounce on Trump for one absolutely stupid Reddit-style hive-mind circle-jerk, they are a bastion of impartial fourth estate in a significant number of articles?

You may have poor judgment when it comes to outlying events fitting in a trend.

Re: Co-founder of Snopes was writing plagiarized articles under a fake name

#104

Outsourcing reality checks to private organizations is a serious problem with 21st century America. The Southern Poverty Law Center is another similar org that is treated as authoritative yet has zero safeguards or unbiased processes.

PayPal recently partnered with the ADL to ban accounts and prevent the wrong people from making transactions. Should be beyond concerning that not only they did that, but celebrated themselves for it. The ADL has ever widening definition of “problematic“ that extends to political topics far outside of their mission statement.

I would really have to think about who is less biased, the SPLC or the ADL.

Re: Co-founder of Snopes was writing plagiarized articles under a fake name

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You can just omit the references and reasoning that go against your narrative.

Remind me of their narrative again? They say that > "Trump did not explicitly tell people to 'storm' or 'breach' or 'break into' the [US] Capitol." and included the reasoning that > the president called on supporters to “peacefully and patriotically” march or walk to the Capitol ...but wait, their far-left narrative! Why didn't they omit those references and reasoning?! https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-tell-su…

Almost all these “fact checkers” exposed themselves on the lab leak theory which they had to redact after 1.5 years. Relying on any of them as a source of “truth” is asking for trouble. They are more of a narrative check.

Re: Co-founder of Snopes was writing plagiarized articles under a fake name

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And what about AP and Reuters?

AP and Reuters are wire services, and other news orgs pay a large fee to syndicate their content

My local paper dropped AP, but now runs CNN as their primary source. It has been… pretty obvious.

Re: Co-founder of Snopes was writing plagiarized articles under a fake name

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I was only addressing press releases. I don't know about wire services. It's my understanding that publishing them as your own, or implicitly your own because of a lack of attribution, is just plagiarism.

If they pay the requisite fee it is licensed to them to do that, that is the wire services business model. It isn’t plagiarism if you pay for it and it’s done with the writers permission apparently.

I don't remember what our license agreement was exactly, but back when I was in school I did a weekly morning news slot on the school's FM station. I would take all my stories from the AP wire, and the rule was that I always had to start my segment with, "and now some of the top stories from the AP..." or similar.

Re: Co-founder of Snopes was writing plagiarized articles under a fake name

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They settled a defamation lawsuit. The settlement terms included an apology and payment of $3 million.

If it was an honest mistake, how did it get to the point of having to settle for $3 million?

Why not try reading about it?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/maajid-...

Re: Co-founder of Snopes was writing plagiarized articles under a fake name

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Remind me of their narrative again? They say that > "Trump did not explicitly tell people to 'storm' or 'breach' or 'break into' the [US] Capitol." and included the reasoning that > the president called on supporters to “peacefully and patriotically” march or walk to the Capitol ...but wait, their far-left narrative! Why didn't they omit those references and reasoning?! https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-tell-su…

Almost all these “fact checkers” exposed themselves on the lab leak theory which they had to redact after 1.5 years. Relying on any of them as a source of “truth” is asking for trouble. They are more of a narrative check.

Snopes didn't, they reference a medical journal article from 1.5 years ago as evidence. Which presumably you agree with...oops! [1]

Back on topic: why didn't they omit those references and reasoning regarding the Capitol?!

https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/06/02/covid-19-why-the-lab-...

Re: Co-founder of Snopes was writing plagiarized articles under a fake name

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Outsourcing reality checks to private organizations is a serious problem with 21st century America. The Southern Poverty Law Center is another similar org that is treated as authoritative yet has zero safeguards or unbiased processes.

What is your solution? Every single source of news, every last one, will have perhaps 1/3 or more of the population calling it fake news.
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