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Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by acituan »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #307
throwaway894345 wrote: post #181

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> It teaches about how to tell journalism apart from other kinds of information, like entertainment and opinion; the hallmarks of good reporting, like transparency; discerning assertion from verification, and evidence from inference; the idea of seeking out multiple sources and how to reconcile them, etc. It's more a toolbox of how to inform oneself, regardless of any specific source. Provided it can stick to that, I…

>what's going on in journalism programs around the country that is allowing for so much unabashedly propagandist content to be pushed out under the guise of "journalism"? It takes two to tango. People get propagandist content because they willingly consume propagandist content. They like it. If people really wanted to be informed, they would watch C-Span all the time and the usual networks would be relegated to niche…

> People get propagandist content because they willingly consume propagandist content. They like it.

More like that content creates engagement and ad money, and people respond to it even though they feel worse. (Not exclusive to news, social media too)

By the way people also like hyper-palatable processed food and that doesn’t mean we get to ignore the material consequences of the obesity epidemic.

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Post by whoooooo123 »

tstrimple wrote: post #243
hn8788 wrote: post #233

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You don't have to "what if" it, people have already looked into it. In "The Coddling of the American Mind" they cite studies showing that universities are more left-leaning than they've ever been.

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What if there are two genders?

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #280
hn8788 wrote: post #233

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You don't have to "what if" it, people have already looked into it. In "The Coddling of the American Mind" they cite studies showing that universities are more left-leaning than they've ever been.

I hear this a lot, but I graduated from a US university and I never knew how any of my professors stood on political matters (and I was a hardcore conservative in college). Right-wingers tend to be upset that social sciences and the humanities exist as research topics and degree programs, mostly because they're not happy with study results that run counter to their beliefs.

Which is also silly, because if they had conversations with those professors, they'd mostly find people with extremely nuanced, evidence-backed opinions.

It doesn't take too long in research-land to appreciate that ideologies are merely abstractions; they're tools to help us understand and discuss the real world.

The people with blind ideological faith are mostly uneducated (and perhaps undergrads), but the academics know how messy the world actually is and love to talk about the jagged, contradictory bits that don't line up with our current models of thought.

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Post by willcipriano »

kesselvon wrote: post #352
beaner wrote: post #305

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I dunno, I went to college. I've seen what it's like on the inside. Before I ever had political opinions it was pretty easy to see that people came out kind of brainless and all thinking the same things. It did not seem like an institution that really developed peoples' ability to think for themselves.

What you get out of college is entirely up to you.

The same is true of life but life doesn't require student loans.

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Post by MikeUt »

wolverine876 wrote: post #353
MikeUt wrote: post #291

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> In the NY Times, for example, I haven't seen it, Try now: NY Times title when a "story" (schoolyard scuffle) broke: A Black Virginia Girl Says White Classmates Cut Her Dreadlocks at a Playground - https://web.archive.org/web/20190927202007/https://www.nytim... The title after the story turned out to be a hoax: Update: Virginia Girl Recants Story of Assault, and Family Apologizes - https://web.archive.org/web/201910…

I don't see the problems. > Update: Virginia Girl Recants Story of Assault ... What significance do you see here? > NY Times title after an islamic terrorist beheaded a teacher near Paris Again, what is the significance to you? It's not that I can't guess at some of it, but to discuss it I need to know what you think. > (interpretations of Trump and Biden motives) Trump and Biden are different people with different m…

This level of skepticism would find even the Daily Mail as free of bias and agenda.

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Post by busymom0 »

re-actor wrote: post #87
blacktriangle wrote: post #75

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All of big tech is run by crony capitalist oligarchs working hand in hand with politicians which happen to all support one side. When all of big tech, media, academia, Hollywood, late night tv hosts, trillionaire corporations with horrible hiring, firing, poor working conditions support the same candidates and view points, maybe it’s not so pure.

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Post by wolverine876 »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #350
JamesBarney wrote: post #333

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Journalism is changing. And to pretend like it's not is adding fuel to the fire. Younger journalists are less likely to see their job as being a neutral arbiter of truth and more likely to see themselves as part of the culture war. I'm a liberal but just as the ACLU is not the same organization it was 20 years ago, neither is The Gray Lady.

I think we're also increasingly seeing journalistic "power" consolidating on the coasts, in the bluest of blue districts (of course the most prestigious newspapers have always been coastal, but they've grown in prevalence while regional newspapers have fallen). This means that journalists for the largest publications are overwhelmingly far more left-wing than the rest of the country.

> I think we're also increasingly seeing journalistic "power" consolidating on the coasts

It's just the Northeast of the US: NYT, WSJ, Washington Post; and of course NY is the center of journalism (as with many things), and Washington and NY are the leading centers of power and therefore news. There are no equivalent west coast or southeast news sources.

However, don't forget that the largest 'publication', or publisher, is Murdoch: Fox, Wall Street Journal, etc. And that is right-wing and the most biased.

The influence of the coasts has been remarked on for a long time, but I think with the Internet it's actually a much improved situation: People easily get news from all over the country and the world. Everyone can read the BBC and much more (including Russian sources, without even knowing it! :) ), and they also get their news, for good or ill, from random people worldwide! :P

> journalists for the largest publications are overwhelmingly far more left-wing than the rest of the country

That assumes the personal political beliefs have a large effect on their jobs.

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Post by Jarwain »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #203
long_time_gone wrote: post #154

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Are you suggesting that all sources are exactly equal? If not, then people need a framework to determine source quality, otherwise we aren't really preparing them for the world. What is your proposal?

You cannot learn from the government which news sources will give you reliable information about the government any more than you would trust cigarette manufacturers to tell you which studies about cigarettes to trust. Step 1 is abolishing government schools entirely.

Isn't the idea not about instilling trust in specific news sources, but teaching how to recognize a good source or critically thinking about and comparing different sources?

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Post by [deleted] »

oefrha wrote: post #14

IMO the most effective and most widely deployed (especially among the supposedly more reputable publications) propaganda tool isn’t outright lies, but rather, selective reporting of cherry-picked facts and omission of others to shape stories into their predefined narratives. TFA doesn’t address that at all. It seems to me that students’ main takeaway from this course would be to trust NPR, NYT and the like, rather th…

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Post by paul7986 »

ethbr0 wrote: post #356
paul7986 wrote: post #262

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For most media especially any media that is trying to control my life and or other people let it control their life I ignore. I.e. Covid news ... i get my covid news directly from my hospital friends in different cities across the U.S. They have no incentive to lie about their reality vs. all paid media does who wants to get you hooked via fear and make you keep coming back for more. Im sure my views on media arent p…

It's amazing how different of a story one gets from ICU nurses and doctors, vs mainstream media. In retrospect, I think the story of the pandemic is going to be how much was concealed from the public, and the impact those images that did break through had (e.g. Dr Li Wenliang's selfies, hooked up to oxygen support). It's easy to live in an abstract world, until you've seen someone struggling for breath or being put u…

Ive shared my view on media here before and always get downvoted. That is fine tons and tons of people hook themselves up their boogeyman of choice (Faux News, MSNbsee, C&N, NewsMax, EpochTimes, etc, etc .. all media driven by dollars and making investors and or their parent companies raking in the dough) and let it control their lives.

After two months into the pandemic I was done with it and went about living my life with a mask on. Some very close family members struggled with Covid .. it is real for sure but this pandemic is a human experiment where the real truth and facts will come in time. Time will prevail and help us best deal with it ... even at this point i feel we are still in the experiment walking blindly as they change things .. get vaccine no mask.. wait now wear mask if vaccinated ..oh wait your gonna need a booster shot .. lol

We are all gerbils even the ones pushing out the dynamic information!

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