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Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by lordloki »

somehnacct3757 wrote: post #252
hn8788 wrote: post #233

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You don't have to "what if" it, people have already looked into it. In "The Coddling of the American Mind" they cite studies showing that universities are more left-leaning than they've ever been.

There's two ways to lean left. Do some leftward leaning, or stand still while your reference point ("the right") leans away. I personally think both of these have happened. I bristle at the inference that only one of them is taking place.

Except evidence has shown the the left has moved further left than the right has moved right. Both have moved but the left has moved further left in the US.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by paul7986 »

bonyt wrote: post #98

I've taken a news literacy class at Stony Brook about 10 years ago, when it was then a relatively new program. I think it's an incredibly valuable thing. It was taught in more the general sense of how to apply critical thinking to judge news stories. To the people saying that this just instills propaganda about specific news sources: consider learning a little bit more about the class. It teaches about how to tell jo…

For most media especially any media that is trying to control my life and or other people let it control their life I ignore. I.e. Covid news ... i get my covid news directly from my hospital friends in different cities across the U.S. They have no incentive to lie about their reality vs. all paid media does who wants to get you hooked via fear and make you keep coming back for more.

Im sure my views on media arent popular, but i think differently and paid media that controls peoples lives has no place in my life! Its too easy to tweak the truth an inch or more for money/greed.

Though if there are now classes where part of the class is teaching if that news source is telling the full truth i guess my views on media aren't that crazy. Either way its tuned out and I listen to no boogieman only my friends who work in hospitals across the country.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by janeroe »

tstrimple wrote: post #243
hn8788 wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to "what if" it, people have already looked into it. In "The Coddling of the American Mind" they cite studies showing that universities are more left-leaning than they've ever been.

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> What if that's because "right-leaning" information is truly wrong?

What if it's not?

> What if cutting taxes doesn't pay for itself?

If only we had some kind of experiments in the 20th century that showed what systems lead to impoverishment and hunger. Or better yet two centuries of scientific inquiries and refutations of crank economics on logical grounds. Like you know, Marxism, whose incoherency is shown by left, right, and center authors alike. Or imagine, we knew MMT is neither a theory nor modern but a reincarnation of some disproved ideas of old.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by forz877 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #200
throwaway894345 wrote: post #181

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> It teaches about how to tell journalism apart from other kinds of information, like entertainment and opinion; the hallmarks of good reporting, like transparency; discerning assertion from verification, and evidence from inference; the idea of seeking out multiple sources and how to reconcile them, etc. It's more a toolbox of how to inform oneself, regardless of any specific source. Provided it can stick to that, I…

> But the landscape has become a lot more partisan/ideological in the last 10 years, particularly at universities, so I understand why people are skeptical/concerned. What if the propagandists are portraying it that way, in order to create that skepticism/concern. They do delegitimize one institution after another: Journalism, education, government, etc. - these are the big ones. > so much unabashedly propagandist co…

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Post by strangattractor »

I have lived long enough to observe the transition of News to Entertainment. When I was young the FCC required Television stations to provide a certain amount of pro bono programing because they were using a publicly owned resource. News was part of that. It simply was not a source of revenue back then.

Public resources such as TV frequencies are now auctioned. The owners have no pro bono requirements any longer. Cable News' 24/7 Eyeball grab search for revenue has changed the game forever. The internet has lowered the Bullshit barrier to a new low.

An individual like Alex Jones can literally go to Amazon and buy a couple hundred dollars worth of equipment and start an internationally available cesspool of disinformation. Just as the covid unvaccinated are dying in the hospitals the infotainment unvaccinated will fall prey to conspiracy.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by forz877 »

lordloki wrote: post #261
somehnacct3757 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's two ways to lean left. Do some leftward leaning, or stand still while your reference point ("the right") leans away. I personally think both of these have happened. I bristle at the inference that only one of them is taking place.

Except evidence has shown the the left has moved further left than the right has moved right. Both have moved but the left has moved further left in the US.

Evidence that isn't cited, just assumed as fact.

This post is an excellent example of information to not trust.

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Post by abnry »

chapium wrote: post #146
minikites wrote: post #48

I'm surprised to see such negative reactions to this effort. Information and media literacy is sorely lacking in the present day USA and we could be doing much more to educate future generations on topics like this to help them make sense of an increasingly complex world of information.

The reactions explain a lot about why critical thinking/analysis is rarely taught in US secondary schools.

No, it reveals that trust in establishment institutions are at record lows. When noteworthy institutions (Twitter, Facebook, Google) are claiming "promotion of truth" as the reason for what many believe is in reality pushing a biased agenda, it is not unreasonable at all to be highly skeptical of any institutional effort to promote "critical thinking".

The Democratic Republic of North Korea is in fact democracy. It says so in their name. The Ministry of Truth is also, in fact, a truthful organization. It is also clear in their name.

Okay. None of this is proof of anyone's opinion. But if you can accept that this is how many earnestly see the world, you don't have to psychoanalyze the comments here and come to a derogatory view of those writing them.

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Post by wolverine876 »

slibhb wrote: post #227
wolverine876 wrote: post #200

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> But the landscape has become a lot more partisan/ideological in the last 10 years, particularly at universities, so I understand why people are skeptical/concerned. What if the propagandists are portraying it that way, in order to create that skepticism/concern. They do delegitimize one institution after another: Journalism, education, government, etc. - these are the big ones. > so much unabashedly propagandist co…

> What if the propagandists are portraying it that way, in order to create that skepticism/concern. They do delegitimize one institution after another: Journalism, education, government, etc. - these are the big ones. > But most straight news from major sources is impressively straight, IME. Your attitude is exactly why so many posters here are skeptical of the idea of "News Literacy". Whatever right-wingers are sayi…

Can we think subtly enough to find ground between "fealty" and deligitimization?

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Post by temp8964 »

platz wrote: post #226
temp8964 wrote: post #210

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Come on, the main thesis of the project is claiming 1619 is the true founding. And the project writer secretly removed it and denied she said it. > In September 2020, lead 1619 Project writer Nikole Hannah-Jones criticized conservatives for their depiction of the project, arguing that it "does not argue that 1619 is our true founding".[12] Atlantic writer Conor Friedersdorf responded on Twitter by citing statements f…

in this situation, the OP class would teach kids to use lateral reading. > what helped students distinguish misinformation the most is something called lateral reading. That can be as simple as opening a new tab and leaving the post to find more about the source of information. It appears to be effective. in fact, you would be for this class It would be clear that the class would help kids uncover that 1619 has many…

> in fact, you would be for this class

I am for the idea of this class. But I am pretty sure many teachers won't implement this idea netrually.

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Post by tstrimple »

janeroe wrote: post #263
tstrimple wrote: post #243

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> What if that's because "right-leaning" information is truly wrong? What if it's not? > What if cutting taxes doesn't pay for itself? If only we had some kind of experiments in the 20th century that showed what systems lead to impoverishment and hunger. Or better yet two centuries of scientific inquiries and refutations of crank economics on logical grounds. Like you know, Marxism, whose incoherency is shown by left…

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