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Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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It's pretty simple really- don't trust anything you read online unless you have a good reason to do so. You'll build up sources you trust over time

Nobody can "do their own research" and still have time to live, unless that's their whole job. This used to be the stated job of journalism, but that profession is now largely dead in ad or benefactor driven news agencies. Independent commentators, journalists, and writers are the only ones that have any hope of being trusted. They cannot institutionalize character and integrity. Glenn Greenwald and the intercept are the clearest examples.

Your mind is built for empathy and understanding the sort of ways that an individual might lie or deceive you, and what might corrupt them. Institutions are like alien structures, which have their own mechanisms for corruption, which are far less intuitive, and much easier to hide behind layers of arbitrary bureaucracy and methodology.

Ultimately, you cannot show a source is reliable, but you can show if one isn't. Sources that are up front about their biases and publicly admit errors get bonus points. Trust individuals, not institutions if for no other reason than because personal bias is the only form that you can intuit.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Are you suggesting that all sources are exactly equal? If not, then people need a framework to determine source quality, otherwise we aren't really preparing them for the world. What is your proposal?

You cannot learn from the government which news sources will give you reliable information about the government any more than you would trust cigarette manufacturers to tell you which studies about cigarettes to trust. Step 1 is abolishing government schools entirely.

whats step 2

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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post #137

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I read the article and I disagree that the 2016 election is a specific example of what students in class actually learn about (which is what I interpreted when you said “used on the kids”). The 2016 example is actually part of a study to claim there is evidence that students have poor ability to discern from good quality and bad quality news sources, such as a video of dubious origin on Facebook. The actual examples…

Read what he's concerned about. It's not too difficult to suss out what he wants here. The fact that the mere mention of 2016 sent him into a complaining rant about laptops and lab leaks should tell you what you need to know.

whats your solution

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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post #14

IMO the most effective and most widely deployed (especially among the supposedly more reputable publications) propaganda tool isn’t outright lies, but rather, selective reporting of cherry-picked facts and omission of others to shape stories into their predefined narratives. TFA doesn’t address that at all. It seems to me that students’ main takeaway from this course would be to trust NPR, NYT and the like, rather th…

maybe i'm not aware of the curriculum, but propaganda seems like something that would be addressed in any conversation about news literacy? seems to be the very definition of news literacy -- knowing when to weed through reporting and look deeper. also, cherry picked reporting is an insignificant problem compared to knowing how to think critically about reporting. knowing how to think critically about the news would (ideally) fix this problem!

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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post #83

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First, read the guidelines. Don’t do “did you even read the article” here. Secondly, I did read the article. All it talks about is spotting questionable sources, comparing reports to shake out fake news, etc. As I said, the most effective propaganda tool is omission. You’re not going to compare sources on something you never even read about. After fact-checking a hundred times you’ll decide that NPR does report facts…

> As I said, the most effective propaganda tool is omission. You’re not going to compare sources on something you never even read about. How is that a risk? What are the chances that anyone will only see news from one source? > After fact-checking a hundred times you’ll decide that NPR does report facts, but do those facts paint the whole picture? After fact-checking a hundred times, won't you learn NPR's strengths a…

You have too much trust for NPR and the NYT after the revelations that so much of their reporting on Russian collusion and the first impeachment were false[0] and the Brian Sicknick death by fire extinguisher lie that was completely fabricated[1] by the news media.

0 https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-media-lied-repeatedly-a...

1 https://taibbi.substack.com/p/aaugh-a-brief-list-of-official...

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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post #138

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What basis is there for these claims? > IMO the most effective and most widely deployed (especially among the supposedly more reputable publications) propaganda tool isn’t outright lies, but rather, selective reporting of cherry-picked facts and omission of others to shape stories into their predefined narratives. TFA doesn’t address that at all. That doesn't mean it isn't taught. The article can't cover everything t…

Sorry but I don’t have time to write a case study on NYT biases. Also, you seem to be thinking purely in terms of U.S. politics, Democrats vs Republicans, left vs right. I’m talking more broadly. You’re not going to get a balanced view on a lot of international topics by consuming and comparing an ensemble of U.S. mainstream media (you can even throw British media in there) for instance, however bitterly they fight a…

And? Is that bad? It gives an "American" perspective, which considering the influence of the US is important. That does not make it a bad newspaper.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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They should teach independent thoughts. Sadly this is so inconvenient for most of the adults.

>Sadly this is so inconvenient for most of the adults. I've heard about it before, but I struggle hard to understand what does it mean like parents will go to school to flame teacher cuz their kid disagrees with them on $hot_topic?

It actually happens a lot (either teacher flames parents for injecting too much "independence thoughts" or the other way around). It is also very inconvenient for politicians/big corps/media.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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post #98

I've taken a news literacy class at Stony Brook about 10 years ago, when it was then a relatively new program. I think it's an incredibly valuable thing. It was taught in more the general sense of how to apply critical thinking to judge news stories. To the people saying that this just instills propaganda about specific news sources: consider learning a little bit more about the class. It teaches about how to tell jo…

The problem, in my experience, is that most people are happy to learn "how to apply critical thinking to judge news stories," will agree to the principals in a general sense, and then go on and only apply such tools towards things they are biased against and while uncritically believing any reporting that either confirms their bias or seems to be part of the common sense of their peer group.

For instance, NPR talks about news literacy here, and I'm sure most of the people at NPR "know" how to be critical, but their level of reporting often doesn't reflect that.

For another example, there's a podcast I listen to by journalists that often point out poor reporting and misinformation spread by other journalists. But they'll usually uncritically repeat the "common sense/everyone knows" ideas that permeate the media outside of their wheelhouse. I only saw a realization of this issue once, when they were talking about the Gell-Mann Amnesia affect, then a couple of minutes later were talking about news reports showing XYZ, and they gave some throw away disclaimer to the effect of "although, I suppose going by the Gell-Mann Amnesia idea, we perhaps shouldn't trust these reports 100%."

In the end, it seems that news for most people serves as a form of infotainment. Infotainment that spreads a lot of disinformation, but leaves people with the illusion they're informed. I think most people would do well to take a few months off from the news and see how it effects the things they actually have control over (usually a lot less than they assume), or how out of place they'll feel when they jump back in (usually not much, since it seems most news items are forgotten within a few weeks).

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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post #54

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Yes! This is my pet peeve! There are so many studies and sources that, if taken out of context and pointed correctly, can be used to support your claim. Now combine with the good old “you don’t know what you don’t know” and you have a great tool to mislead the masses. Add a bit of cognitive bias on top (combined with being profiled by “popular search engines” that give you the results you already believe in) and you’…

> This is my pet peeve! I'm confused: Isn't this a very common narrative, especially among a certain political group? > Underlining story: there is so much need for critical thinking in our schools!!! That is the solution IMHO and IME: Teach critical thinking, not who is right or wrong. That's what my teachers did almost universally, what other teachers I know of did, and what seems to me is happening in this class.

>I'm confused: Isn't this a very common narrative, especially among a certain political group.

It's common for both political groups...

The people who don't think their political group distorts the truth are a prime target for this class.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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post #14

IMO the most effective and most widely deployed (especially among the supposedly more reputable publications) propaganda tool isn’t outright lies, but rather, selective reporting of cherry-picked facts and omission of others to shape stories into their predefined narratives. TFA doesn’t address that at all. It seems to me that students’ main takeaway from this course would be to trust NPR, NYT and the like, rather th…

> It seems to me that students’ main takeaway from this course would be to trust NPR, NYT and the like, rather than viral content. Which is of course great for NPR, but doesn’t help when your “trustworthy” media selection decide to suppress all arguments from another side, or remain silent on certain stories altogether.

Did they post the syllabus in the article and I missed it? Or did you get on your hobby horse and just make unfounded assumptions?

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