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Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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I've taken a news literacy class at Stony Brook about 10 years ago, when it was then a relatively new program. I think it's an incredibly valuable thing. It was taught in more the general sense of how to apply critical thinking to judge news stories. To the people saying that this just instills propaganda about specific news sources: consider learning a little bit more about the class. It teaches about how to tell jo…

> It teaches about how to tell journalism apart from other kinds of information, like entertainment and opinion; the hallmarks of good reporting, like transparency; discerning assertion from verification, and evidence from inference; the idea of seeking out multiple sources and how to reconcile them, etc. It's more a toolbox of how to inform oneself, regardless of any specific source.

Provided it can stick to that, I'm all for it. But the landscape has become a lot more partisan/ideological in the last 10 years, particularly at universities, so I understand why people are skeptical/concerned. One also wonders what's going on in journalism programs around the country that is allowing for so much unabashedly propagandist content to be pushed out under the guise of "journalism"?

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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For anyone interested in the subject, I highly recommend Walter Lippmann's Public Opinion. It was written 100 years ago, but it's one of the best books on the media (and public opinion in general) that I've read, and the vast majority of the book accurately describes problems we have today. A couple of excerpts:

> Circulation is, therefore, the means to an end. It becomes an asset only when it can be sold to the advertiser, who buys it with revenues secured through indirect taxation of the reader...A newspaper which angers those whom it pays best to reach through advertisements is a bad medium for an advertiser. And since no one ever claimed that advertising was philanthropy, advertisers buy space in those publications which are fairly certain to reach their future customers. One need not spend much time worrying about the unreported scandals of the dry-goods merchants. They represent nothing really significant, and incidents of this sort are less common than many critics of the press suppose. The real problem is that the readers of a newspaper, unaccustomed to paying the cost of newsgathering, can be capitalized only by turning them into circulation that can be sold to manufacturers and merchants. And those whom it is most important to capitalize are those who have the most money to spend. Such a press is bound to respect the point of view of the buying public. It is for this buying public that newspapers are edited and published, for without that support the newspaper cannot live. A newspaper can flout an advertiser, it can attack a powerful banking or traction interest, but if it alienates the buying public, it loses the one indispensable asset of its existence.

And:

> This is the plight of the reader of the general news. If he is to read it at all he must be interested, that is to say, he must enter into the situation and care about the outcome. But if he does that he cannot rest in a negative, and unless independent means of checking the lead given him by his newspaper exists, the very fact that he is interested may make it difficult to arrive at that balance of opinions which may most nearly approximate the truth. The more passionately involved he becomes, the more he will tend to resent not only a different view, but a disturbing bit of news. That is why many a newspaper finds that, having honestly evoked the partisanship of its readers, it can not easily, supposing the editor believes the facts warrant it, change position. If a change is necessary, the transition has to be managed with the utmost skill and delicacy. Usually a newspaper will not attempt so hazardous a performance. It is easier and safer to have the news of that subject taper off and disappear, thus putting out the fire by starving it.

The whole thing is worth reading. It's free on Project Gutenberg, and there's also a free audiobook of it on Youtube.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the article and I disagree that the 2016 election is a specific example of what students in class actually learn about (which is what I interpreted when you said “used on the kids”). The 2016 example is actually part of a study to claim there is evidence that students have poor ability to discern from good quality and bad quality news sources, such as a video of dubious origin on Facebook. The actual examples…

Oh come on... > https://web.archive.org/web/20171106063502/https://www.thegu... > Trump dump: president throws entire box of fish food into precious koi carp pond > While his host, Japan’s prime minister Shinzo Abe, spoons small amounts of feed, the US leader gives the fish a large feast > Having apparently lost patience with tempting the fish to the edge with modest offerings of food, Trump simply upended his wooden…

> Your support helps protect the Guardian’s independence and it means we can keep delivering quality journalism that’s open for everyone around the world. Every contribution, however big or small, is so valuable for our future.

Lol "quality journalism" as they say it themselves. Not my level of quality. They have good pieces. But hit-pieces like this makes me unable to support them at all.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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I feel like they should just teach more statistics. Learn about bias, sampling and significance. > Students reportedly got a lot better at spotting questionable sources. Like that's definitely a step in the right direction, i.e., don't just blindly trust what you see on Insta or FB, but I worry it'll just teach kids to blindly trust mainstream media like the NYTimes, which are not without their own biases.

I'll tell you something...I teach undergraduate statistics. One of the projects I give students is to find a news article that talks about a research study and then find the research study. They have to analyze and compare them.

It's a hard project, students largely presume that news sources have bias, and some clearly do. But telling apart bias from good faith misunderstanding and sincere attempts at simplification of a message for an audience is really hard.

The issue isn't just 'statistics' its audience, its communication, its argumentation, its pre-existing knowledge...its a lot of factors.

Part of this is human nature and, frankly, our evolutionary brains inability to process the amount of information now available.

There is some good research...I'll find it and add it...with undergraduates that shows something really itneresting about information seeking and use behaviors:

* undergraduate engineering students often treat the act of searching for information on ther internet and getting results as directly akin to understanding the information their search returned.

* said differently, they think that the act of googling something is the same as understanding the results - even if they don't click on the results.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History has always been manipulated. It’s written by the victor, after all (for the most part). It is very telling what your complaint is; you’re just mad that your favored whitewashing of history is being challenged.

It's telling that the user is upset that lies are being promoted by our media, to the extent that people are attempting to insert them into children's school curriculum? It's just an awful line of reasoning to assert that because people have lied in the past, that we should cherish lies and continue to adopt new ones moving forward

Give it a rest. The fact you’re attributing words and sentiments I didn’t write and arguing with a straw man tells me there will be no productive discussion between us.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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post #98

I've taken a news literacy class at Stony Brook about 10 years ago, when it was then a relatively new program. I think it's an incredibly valuable thing. It was taught in more the general sense of how to apply critical thinking to judge news stories. To the people saying that this just instills propaganda about specific news sources: consider learning a little bit more about the class. It teaches about how to tell jo…

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Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Given the primary example used on the kids, the 2016 election, this seems more about instilling bias under the name "news literacy". Are they going to do a section studying the "coverage" of hunter biden's laptop? Remember, for weeks it was cast as Russian propaganda. What about the origins of covid.. will they discuss how at first the lab leak theory was discarded as "misinformation"? I could not trust a public scho…

> Remember, for weeks it was cast as Russian propaganda

What was it, actually? I've lost track.

> will they discuss how at first the lab leak theory was discarded as "misinformation"?

If 50 or 100 years from now, we find out that aliens did in fact visit Roswell, NM, would we posthumously rehabilitate the UFO nuts and conspiracy theorists of today? Even if all their details were wrong?

It's possible to write the right answer on an exam through pure guesswork; that's why teachers say "show your work". It's possible to be a kook and say something that later turns out to be true. It's possible to call lab leak "misinformation" in 2020 but give it a bit more credence after new facts come to light. Especially when "lab leak" was being used as cover or deflection for incompetence and mismanagement of the pandemic response.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's telling that the user is upset that lies are being promoted by our media, to the extent that people are attempting to insert them into children's school curriculum? It's just an awful line of reasoning to assert that because people have lied in the past, that we should cherish lies and continue to adopt new ones moving forward

Give it a rest. The fact you’re attributing words and sentiments I didn’t write and arguing with a straw man tells me there will be no productive discussion between us.

This is what you said to me: "you’re just mad that your favored whitewashing of history is being challenged". Do you even have remote understanding of what "productive discussion" means?

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Given the primary example used on the kids, the 2016 election, this seems more about instilling bias under the name "news literacy". Are they going to do a section studying the "coverage" of hunter biden's laptop? Remember, for weeks it was cast as Russian propaganda. What about the origins of covid.. will they discuss how at first the lab leak theory was discarded as "misinformation"? I could not trust a public scho…

It seems like we read different articles. My takeaway is that they’re trying to teach students how to identify bad sources/reporting or outright fake news, not litigate specific news reports. Using 2016 as an example doesn’t invalidate that goal or imply bias.

Yes you are correct, you did read a different article, that’s the core problem. A large portion of Trump’s base still believes that fishy things happened in the election, if the journalist covering this story wanted to cover this without bias and truly believes that the program is a net positive (which I agree is probably true) they shouldn’t be injecting divisive politics into their coverage as these people are completely done with the media at this point, the OP is going easy describing what some of these people believe. They roll their eyes at anything these people say now, they have lost all faith in the media.

The story reads like the journalist is completely unaware of their implicit left wing bias and makes little effort to fix it - to them, this example is an obvious example to use but it will alienate readers on the other side (like the OP), yet they used it anyway.

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