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Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by rubyist5eva »

GiorgioG wrote: post #16

As an independent voter, I try to pinch my nose and read both parties' propaganda machines, but I just can't stomach it. All I want is facts. edit: We can thank Ronald Reagan for this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine

> On August 22, 2011, the FCC voted to remove the rule that implemented the Fairness Doctrine, along with more than 80 other rules and regulations, from the Federal Register following an executive order by President Obama directing a "government-wide review of regulations already on the books" to eliminate unnecessary regulations.

Seems like it hasn't been a thing for a decade, so I'm not so sure.

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Post by 3pt14159 »

kiwih wrote: post #12
eplanit wrote: post #2

Given the primary example used on the kids, the 2016 election, this seems more about instilling bias under the name "news literacy". Are they going to do a section studying the "coverage" of hunter biden's laptop? Remember, for weeks it was cast as Russian propaganda. What about the origins of covid.. will they discuss how at first the lab leak theory was discarded as "misinformation"? I could not trust a public scho…

I did a module on news literacy at my public high school (not in USA). It typically involved taking some notable story and examining material from every publisher that had written on it. We examined both recent affairs (previous 2-3 years) and historical (women's right to vote, native people's/colonial affairs) and how they were covered in the media at the time. It was a fascinating thing to be taught about, and had…

Yeah we had this at my private religious high school in Canada as part of civics class. It didn't really have a right or left bend, it focussed on critical thought, sourcing (anonymous sources vs named, credentialed source), fact verifiability, and reputation.

Especially with what the internet has done to news this really should be taught in schools everywhere.

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Post by long_time_gone »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #114
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the article and I disagree that the 2016 election is a specific example of what students in class actually learn about (which is what I interpreted when you said “used on the kids”). The 2016 example is actually part of a study to claim there is evidence that students have poor ability to discern from good quality and bad quality news sources, such as a video of dubious origin on Facebook. The actual examples…

An important part of indoctrination is training children that only regime approved news sources are reliable.

Didn't you study the difference in quality versus non-quality sources as a child? I remember lots of term papers where my references were questioned and only references of certain quality were allowed.

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Post by chrononaut »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #4
eplanit wrote: post #2

Given the primary example used on the kids, the 2016 election, this seems more about instilling bias under the name "news literacy". Are they going to do a section studying the "coverage" of hunter biden's laptop? Remember, for weeks it was cast as Russian propaganda. What about the origins of covid.. will they discuss how at first the lab leak theory was discarded as "misinformation"? I could not trust a public scho…

Yep, the news has become just propaganda... no responsibility, no nothing. But people like to consume stuff they believe in...

> "has become"

Was there a time when it wasn't?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias#History

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Post by rootusrootus »

lettergram wrote: post #31

Growing up in Illinois and going to public schools, I have to say this is just making the situation worse. My wife (who went to the same school district) and I both recall situations where politics were in the classroom. I recall in grade school with vivid detail my teacher saying “anyone who voted for bush is an idiot” and kids in the class becoming upset and the teacher doubling down. My entire time at school (thro…

> People I know in the younger generations (in their 20s) who are conservatives are scared to speak and have been for years.

I haven't noticed this at all. The only time I've seen widespread silence from my conservative friends & family is after January 6th of this year. Could just be my circle, but almost all of them have gone radio silent, nothing at all to say any more. But before that they were definitely anything but quiet.

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Post by trasz »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #22
eplanit wrote: post #2

Given the primary example used on the kids, the 2016 election, this seems more about instilling bias under the name "news literacy". Are they going to do a section studying the "coverage" of hunter biden's laptop? Remember, for weeks it was cast as Russian propaganda. What about the origins of covid.. will they discuss how at first the lab leak theory was discarded as "misinformation"? I could not trust a public scho…

This is as comforting as hearing that schools are teaching religion. You could have spared yourself that dig, it's beside the point and stupid. The comparison with religion is actually good. In some countries religion is taught in school because religion is part of human culture, which is firmly within the bailiwick of school. So teachers teaching religion must be accredited by both the government (for competency) an…

First, the parts of religion that are a part of human culture are usually not religious at all. That’s what the “cultural Christian”, or “Christian atheist” means. What happens in schools in countries like Poland is a religious indoctrination, and usually focuses on promoting social pathologies, such as denying reproductive rights and spreading hate speech against minorities.

Second, again using Poland as an example, this is largely outside of government control: the state cedes all authority about this part of schooling to Church, and Church is free to choose whatever propagandists it likes.

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Post by long_time_gone »

chitowneats wrote: post #50
haswell wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like we read different articles. My takeaway is that they’re trying to teach students how to identify bad sources/reporting or outright fake news, not litigate specific news reports. Using 2016 as an example doesn’t invalidate that goal or imply bias.

Hunter Biden's laptop falls under this category. Corporate media and social media companies claim "fake news" and move to censor it a month before the election. An honest look at the actual reporting, as well as what followed, shows that this was not in fact the case.

==shows that this was not in fact the case.==

What was not in fact the case? Can you share your evidence?

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Post by [deleted] »

whimsicalism wrote: post #93
refenestrator wrote: post #26

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That lab leak theory is the most amazing example of widespread bias on all sides I've ever seen. We went from it being banned on Facebook to it having mainstream acceptance in like a week despite ZERO change in the underlying evidence. The evidence was always just "well there's a lab there". The only thing that changed was Trump isn't president anymore. It's the perfect rorschach issue for underlying bias, free of an…

I've always been of the opinion that a lab leak is certainly possible, but still very unlikely. It's been wild seeing this rollercoaster that is entirely based on media coverage without one shred of evidence either way. Very disenchanted with the media over the last 5 years, and it did not used to be this bad.

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Post by vxNsr »

caseysoftware wrote: post #44
vmception wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've run into a variety of people that made savings, travel and career choices based on that idea, and it wasn't good for them. Of course they were from the midwest and so likely all of their influences would have been reinforcing the words of the President , but I also don't understand how that would be convincing, given how viruses work. Given how this virus works and spreads.

We were also told "two weeks to stop the spread!" by the CDC and most major news sources. "two weeks" from mid-March would be April "stop the spread" could reasonably interpreted as "we won, all is well" Therefore, it's easy to see why people - including Trump - would be convinced this would all be done in April 2020.

Not to mention China seemed to have mostly eradicated it by mid-March by simply shutting down for a few weeks. They still seem to have very few cases, many ppl don’t believe their reporting anymore, but at the time it really did look like a quick shutdown would end it.

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Post by Izkata »

zrail wrote: post #67
mwint wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was once of the “this’ll be over by the end of April” people, but I didn’t mean the virus would be gone. Only that the initial response would be over (“flatten the curve”) and we’d go back to normal, accepting the deaths. I didn’t think the new goal would become “no one can ever die of this”. Had I known that, I wouldn’t have said this would be over soon.

As far as I can tell, most public health decisions made up until this summer have been about preventing collapse of hospital systems. Individual health is of secondary importance to the system being able to handle ordinary levels of non-covid events. Something changed a few months ago and now some states in the US are making decisions seemingly designed to collapse their health systems. It's tragically short sighted.

> As far as I can tell, most public health decisions made up until this summer have been about preventing collapse of hospital systems.

If that were true, they wouldn't have gotten rid of the pop-up hospitals over a year ago.

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