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Twitter's new font, Chirp, is apparently giving some users headaches

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Re: Twitter's new font, Chirp, is apparently giving some users headaches

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It looks like they've put a picture of an apple in the Private Use Area as well at U+F8FF. Weird; there's no need for the PUA there; just pick (heh) U+1F34E (red apple) or U+1F34F (green apple).

It's for compatibility with the Apple logo that is displayed on iOS devices when that codepoint is rendered.

I enjoy the pettiness of not using apple’s actual logo.

Re: Twitter's new font, Chirp, is apparently giving some users headaches

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post #215

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Your filter didn't work for me with uBlock Origin, also I'm not sure that many people still use Twitter over unencrypted HTTP. This filter seems to work (tested with uBlock Origin 1.37.2): ||abs.twimg.com/fonts/chirp-*.woff$font

just tried in My filters, left column looks still same (much thinner font than before), what am I doing wrong? W10 Pro (customs caling size 110) + Edge (Chromium)

It's not meant to undo all design changes on Twitter. It just disables the webfont and lets your browser use its default font instead.

Re: Twitter's new font, Chirp, is apparently giving some users headaches

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post #34

The ‘custom’ font has been identified¹ as Grilli Type GT America ² with minor spacing change and a Twitter logo in the PUA. ¹ https://twitter.com/jeffjose/status/1425626162219286529 ² https://www.grillitype.com/typeface/gt-america

Ah, another serif-less, proportionally spaced font. Quite hard to notice the differences.

Re: Twitter's new font, Chirp, is apparently giving some users headaches

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post #174
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The ‘custom’ font has been identified¹ as Grilli Type GT America ² with minor spacing change and a Twitter logo in the PUA. ¹ https://twitter.com/jeffjose/status/1425626162219286529 ² https://www.grillitype.com/typeface/gt-america

Yes, welcome to Corporate Typograhism™ where big corp takes an already existing (copyrighted) font -- change it a little -- then release it as their own. Some Copyright is more Copyright than others...

At least there is no copyright on the alphabet.

Re: Twitter's new font, Chirp, is apparently giving some users headaches

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post #152

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I'm sure you know this, but for others: This is a cost-saving move. It's always more economical for a company of Twitter's size to develop their own font because 1) Then they don't have to pay per-use licensing fees, which are huge at the billion user scale, and 2) a peculiarity of copyright law means that the actual shapes of the letters aren't actually protectable by copyright -- you can copy an existing font virtu…

I don't think this is accurate. If they're just specifying a font (e.g. 'Helvetica') in their CSS, it's loaded from the users' machine and doesn't cost anything. Otherwise every site on the internet would be paying fees for fonts. I could be wrong. Please inform me if I am.

That's obviously true for system-provided fonts but fonts like Helvetica Neue aren't typically available on any platform by default and has to be loaded in...

Re: Twitter's new font, Chirp, is apparently giving some users headaches

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The way marketing teams talk about asinine changes like this as if they are making deep, meaningful improvements to everyone's lives is just nauseating. It's a fucking font and no one was asking for it. There are a million ways twitter UX could improve and this is almost the stupidest one I can think of.

If they would just spend time to fix the copy/paste bug instead, for example…

Re: Twitter's new font, Chirp, is apparently giving some users headaches

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That or brand managers want branding. Do you have real-world examples of the hypothetical you invented?

There was that incident a while back where a bunch of government leaks were outed as fake because they were printed with a (default MS Word) font that was not available or in use when the document was purportedly created

Then Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif tried to cover up a scandal that was revealed in the Panama papers back in 2014. He forged a document purportedly from 2006 using Microsoft's not-yet-released font Calibri as an attempted cover story.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/not-for-the-firs...

Re: Twitter's new font, Chirp, is apparently giving some users headaches

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O, no... the o's render square and then round and then square again on xubuntu/chrome... what's up!?!... https://imgur.com/a/0LcqKej Many things seem to change because people need to change things to rationalize their job title. Is that what's going on here?

The o's look bad, but wtf is up with the e's in that picture?

Funny, all the e's look about the same to me. Do you just not like the style? That's not my complaint about the o's. I'm complaining that some are square and some are round. Specifically the o In "Notice" looks roundish and the O in "Today" is squared off.

Re: Twitter's new font, Chirp, is apparently giving some users headaches

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O, no... the o's render square and then round and then square again on xubuntu/chrome... what's up!?!... https://imgur.com/a/0LcqKej Many things seem to change because people need to change things to rationalize their job title. Is that what's going on here?

This screenshot looks perfectly normal on my computer, or maybe I just can't see the difference. All of the o's look the same to me. Anybody else...?

Look very closely at the o in "Notice" and the o in "Today"... I see that if I zoom in to the image it looks better than when I zoom out, so there is clearly some interaction going on with the video driver on my screen at 100% zoom that makes it more obvious for me. But the two o's are not the same, the o in Today is narrower, and ends up looking squared off on my screen, and the o in "Notice" looks rounder and more open.

Now I realize that for you to see it, a good zoomed photo with my phone will go a long way:

Here's where twitter's font goes oh-so wrong: https://imgur.com/a/Wpw97He

Re: Twitter's new font, Chirp, is apparently giving some users headaches

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This looks very much as if the font renderer is aggressively hinting to the pixel grid vertically, but not horizontally. That’s a known trick for getting a decent compromise between crisp text (along the baselines and tops of letters) with subpixel horizontal kerning. I doubt the Android renderer is really broken and no-one has noticed until now, so I’d guess the font either has bad hinting, or more likely it’s just…

It may indeed be a problem with hinting. Certainly two o's render very differently on my screen. I first tried to show what I saw by doing a screen grab, but then realized that the image apparently looks different on my screen vs others.

Now I realize that for others to see it, a good zoomed photo with my phone will go a long way:

https://imgur.com/a/Wpw97He

Step back ten feet and you'll notice that the o In "Notice" looks roundish and the o in "Today" is squared off.

Screen grab that I used: https://imgur.com/a/0LcqKej

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