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Re: Every language fixes something - a DiGraph - just for fun

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Post by mitchty » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 1:59 PM UTC

temptemptemp13 wrote: post #9

Python is "notenough OO" and leads to Ruby? I smell a troll under the bridge.

Err, I thought Perl led to Ruby. The name being a play on gems after all. I think you're right. Either that or its just for fun.

Re: Every language fixes something - a DiGraph - just for fun

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Post by lawlit » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:03 PM UTC

What do you think Go fixes ?

Re: Every language fixes something - a DiGraph - just for fun

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Post by perlgeek » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:06 PM UTC

I found it particularly amusing that Common Lisp solved the "too many dialects" problem, being a Lisp dialect itself...

Re: Every language fixes something - a DiGraph - just for fun

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Post by shrikant » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:10 PM UTC

Colin, would a reasonable implicit assumption be that if the problem being solved isn't a problem for me, then I should stick with the language in question?

I mean, for e.g., if I don't care that Python's not OO enough, I don't need to know Ruby, right? Right?!

p.s: in case it's not apparent, I will be using these graphs to justify some laziness on my part :)

Re: Every language fixes something - a DiGraph - just for fun

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Post by snippyhollow » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:10 PM UTC

Not only is it arbitrary, it could be cool if it was realistic. But "Not pure -> ML" ? Seriously ?

It should be Turing machines -> Too awkward for modeling programming -> Lisp Lambda calculus -> No typing -> ML -> Not pure -> Haskell ML -> no objects/modules -> Ocaml

Re: Every language fixes something - a DiGraph - just for fun

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Post by alttag » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:12 PM UTC

perlgeek wrote: post #13

I found it particularly amusing that Common Lisp solved the "too many dialects" problem, being a Lisp dialect itself...

Of course it is. XKCD explained this a few weeks ago: http://xkcd.com/927/

Re: Every language fixes something - a DiGraph - just for fun

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Post by peteretep » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:17 PM UTC

The line from Lisp to Ruby should go from Lisp to Perl - all the Lispy features Ruby has - as I understand it - were lifted via Perl...

Re: Every language fixes something - a DiGraph - just for fun

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Post by bhousel » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:17 PM UTC

lawlit wrote: post #12

What do you think Go fixes ?

Not invented here?

Re: Every language fixes something - a DiGraph - just for fun

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Post by alttag » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:17 PM UTC

ColinWright wrote: post #7

pavpanchekha wrote: post #5

Bullshit. Not to mean or anything. But bullshit. Most of the arrows are labelled with the author's post-hac, childish generalizations of language differences. JavaScript came from Java because of the scary syntax? No, it came from Scheme because of the scary syntax, Java's syntax was considered particularly comforting. There's no relation between Lisp and MacLisp. Lisp came from "Turing Machines"? Ruby came from Perl…

So, do the words "just for fun" not actually mean anything to you? Just curious - you seem really angry about this.

Perhaps part of his point if it's "just for fun", which in the broadest interpretation could be taken as "without any basis whatsoever" then it doesn't belong in front of a crowd of people who expect logical explanations for things.

Let's be honest—some of the descendants are a bit off (Java->Javascript, anyone?), and some languages have multiple inspirations not listed.

It's an interesting idea, and perhaps the starting point of actual research, but isn't yet trustworthy or sensible enough to be taken as gospel.

Re: Every language fixes something - a DiGraph - just for fun

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Post by kule » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:20 PM UTC

peteretep wrote: post #17

The line from Lisp to Ruby should go from Lisp to Perl - all the Lispy features Ruby has - as I understand it - were lifted via Perl...

I think the Lispy features were more derived Smalltalk than Perl...