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Ask HN: What are you using to replace shared iCloud Photos albums?

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Re: Ask HN: What are you using to replace shared iCloud Photos albums?

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Post by unstatusthequo »

square_usual wrote: post #42
max_ wrote: post #8

I have always used Mega[0]. It's real end to end encryption. I would argue it also has a superior user experience across all the others. [0] https://mega.nz/

Mega and Stingle are the only options I'm aware of that are "truly" private, and every other major cloud storage provider will scan your files for CSAM. The best way forward for truly privacy conscious people would be to roll their own NextCloud instance, because any public service that allows you to store E2EE images will get hunted by the Government for allowing CSAM if they reach any significant userbase. Case in…

Tresorit? Excellent app, speed, features, and Switzerland zero knowledge encryption. Also supports camera uploads as key feature for mobile.

Re: Ask HN: What are you using to replace shared iCloud Photos albums?

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Post by istingray »

hex-m wrote: post #48

You don't have to "do" Nextcloud yourself if you don't want to. Find a hoster[0] that does the work for you. The client apps and the user interface are super boomer friendly. [0] https://nextcloud.com/partners/

Thanks for the link - I signed up for a free 2 GB Nextcloud with one of their partners. Experimenting with non-iCloud hosted notes now. It's a bumpy ride, lots of room for improvement.

Re: Ask HN: What are you using to replace shared iCloud Photos albums?

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Post by sircastor »

I’ve been looking strongly at Plex’s photo support. The images are self hosted, but the service acts like a DDNS, so you can easily get to it. I run our current Plex system off of our NAS, but have been thinking about moving it to a dedicated RasPi.

Re: Ask HN: What are you using to replace shared iCloud Photos albums?

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Post by aspyct »

aprdm wrote: post #95
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #60

Personally I don't trust anything that I don't self-host. With Hetzner I chose full-metal instead of VPS. I pay €40 for 4 TB (2x4 TB mirrored to be precise) shared among a large number of services, including Minecraft servers for kids. The load is very low and the maintenance is a pleasure. Plus I love tinkering with and learning new things, so this part of mine is fully satisfied. I learned with Hetzner that every 3…

Do you worry about the data being on Hetzner servers?

Why? It's a perfectly respectable company.

Re: Ask HN: What are you using to replace shared iCloud Photos albums?

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

aprdm wrote: post #95
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #60

Personally I don't trust anything that I don't self-host. With Hetzner I chose full-metal instead of VPS. I pay €40 for 4 TB (2x4 TB mirrored to be precise) shared among a large number of services, including Minecraft servers for kids. The load is very low and the maintenance is a pleasure. Plus I love tinkering with and learning new things, so this part of mine is fully satisfied. I learned with Hetzner that every 3…

Do you worry about the data being on Hetzner servers?

It is a multi-faceted issue. In general, for really sensitive content, like nude photos, keys etc., I'm very strict they should always be stored in an encrypted form and never ever decrypted on a remote machine.

Other content, private but not sensitive, like holidays photos, can be stored and decrypted remotely and it's a good practice to use encrypted partitions by default. I don't believe Hetzner would do any of the grey things that Google, Facebook and now Apple are doing (i.e. actively scanning your data for advertising and other purposes), but there is a practical problem of broken hard drives - it doesn't matter if it breaks in your place or at a hosting provider, you have a hard drive that is broken but you can't remove your data from easily, but someone else might. I estimate the probability is extremely low, but there is very little downside and effort required to encrypt data partitions nowadays, so I don't see why I shouldn't do that.

As for the interception of data in transit, nowadays everybody is using TLS for everything, so I don't think it's an issue.

Re: Ask HN: What are you using to replace shared iCloud Photos albums?

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Post by simion314 »

robertoandred wrote: post #90
simion314 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And in the same way a human resembles a butterfly. didn't you learn from the case where algorithms matched white noise with some copyright material? There are many iPhones and many images in each iPhones, there will be false matches. Add on top of that that the database of hashes is secret, that it can be updated in secret, that the algorithm is secret and the "threshold" is also secret and you have a lot of suspicio…

No, not in the way a human resembles a butterfly. But for the sake of argument, fine: some pictures of you look exactly like pictures of a butterfly, enough to trigger the flagging threshold. These false positives would easily be caught during the review and nothing would happen.

I do not trust the review people, they are not even Apple employees, they are cheap contractors that hire cheap labor,this people are treated like crap so I can see them making mistakes , is not like you never heard of Apple review guy decided X and when other guy checked he decided !X .

Re: Ask HN: What are you using to replace shared iCloud Photos albums?

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Post by Spooky23 »

aspyct wrote: post #104
aprdm wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you worry about the data being on Hetzner servers?

Why? It's a perfectly respectable company.

They are subject to the same laws as everyone else.

In the US, privacy means in your home. It cannot have a third party custodian.

Re: Ask HN: What are you using to replace shared iCloud Photos albums?

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Post by Spooky23 »

throwawayay02 wrote: post #54
samrolken wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fortunately that’s not how it works. You would have to have a whole collection of known and identified CSAM to be classified as anything at all with the system Apple has announced.

No, their AI accepts some deviation. And we don't know how many false positives it takes to start a human review. And for privacy of course different people will evaluate different photos. And a human without context will flag a picture of a kid on the bath as child pornography. It is a very real possibility OP is made a suspect because of this.

Honestly, this issue has been a thing for a few days now.

How about spending like 10m reading actual information about how this works, instead of perpetuating ignorance? This tech is not new.

Re: Ask HN: What are you using to replace shared iCloud Photos albums?

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Post by Spooky23 »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #4
robertoandred wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dropbox checks for CSAM too.

Checking for CSAM isn't the issue. The issue is that Apple's system design easily extends to checking all sorts of other things - political dissidents, journalists, etc. Not only that, it commits a felony when it transmits found CSAM to a party other than NCMEC (i.e. Apple itself).

A few years ago, the hysterical nerd privacy crowd was clutching pearls and waving hands because Condolezza Rice was going to turn you Dropbox files over the the NSA.
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