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Cuba’s Bitcoin Revolution

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Re: Cuba’s Bitcoin Revolution

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That embargo is always such a mystery to me. Why on earth is it still in place in 2021? Is it because no US politician want to submit a motion for it to be repealed? Or is there a powerful anti-Cuba lobby keeping it there? So much misery can be lifted with little effort by so few, yet here we are.

Cuba can still trade with the rest of the world like the EU, Russia, China and Canada.

US sanctions usually attempt to prohibit not only trade with USA but also with all the countries under influence of USA (most of the world).

E.g. China cannot import some items from EU, although they are not under EU sanctions, but because USA effectively controls EU and prohibits trade of some goods with China.

Same with Russia. E.g. every time Russia tries to sell weapons to some third country, USA attempts to create a pressure to cancel the deal.

I'm sure Cuba suffers from similar restrictions.

Anyway, no matter what you do, an island with almost no mineral resources, no source of energy, will always suffer. It doesn't matter whether the government is capitalist or socialist, what currency you use, whether there's embargo or not.

People living in Cuba will be always poor. It's impossible to change that because it would contradict fundamental laws of the universe: you need resources to grow, you need energy.

It's just that now all of them have more or less the same income. If they'd return to capitalist system, very few will become extremely rich (drug suppliers, brothel owners) and the rest will become extremely poor. Just the way it was before revolution.

Re: Cuba’s Bitcoin Revolution

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Canada has excellent brain surgeons. The reality is immigration isn't as simple as picking up and wandering across a border. There's nativism, protectionism and of course the ties that keep you bound to your local community. Friends, family, shops, restaurants, a house. If I told you that I would pay you 30% more to move to Kansas, would you? Why, and why not? Further, why isn't every brain surgeon in America located…

>Canada has excellent brain surgeons. The reality is immigration isn't as simple as picking up and wandering across a border. There's nativism, protectionism and of course the ties that keep you bound to your local community. Friends, family, shops, restaurants, a house. And yet, despite those obstacles, the brain drain is real and ongoing. In a survey of scientists from 16 countries ( http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-wor…

> but there is no reason to think that the 1.7% makes up the top tier of American scientists; why would the best move north of the border? In other words, the US is receiving the best of Canadian scientists in exchange for an equal number of its non-best. As renewiltord said, "Your brain surgeons will leave and you will be left with the other guy."

This seems like purely circular logic. Why are you assuming that it's the top Canadian scientists who move to the US and the non-top US scientists who move to Canada, rather than vice versa? Yes the US is a more popular destination than Canada, but isn't that just a reflection of having a bigger population, more cities, etc.? (e.g. as a toy model, if everyone who immigrated did it because they'd fallen in love and were moving to live with their partner, wouldn't that produce a distribution like you describe?). A scientist may well earn more in the US, but they might well have a better quality of life in Canada, there are plenty of reasons to prefer one or the other.

Re: Cuba’s Bitcoin Revolution

#93
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> In tragic irony, unskilled workers were often far better off financially than highly-educated ones, and many of the latter dropped out of their careers to clean tables or pick people up from the airport to get access to the CUC economy. The dual currency system institutionalized inequality, creating clear classes of haves and have nots. For many people like Lucia, this as much as anything else showed that the revol…

As another poster said it does drain the economy, but even more directly. I don't know exactly what the Cuban government allows its party members and employees to do vis-a-vis accessing foreign currency, but I can give the Argentine example. Argentina used to have currency controls that pegged their peso at 3ARS/1USD. If you were a tourist with $100 USD and you need to buy pesos at the airport, you get 300ARS. If you go to anyone on the street in Buenos Aires, they'd give you the black market rate, about 1300ARS for the same $100USD. Okay fine, so no one is stupid enough to sell dollars at the government exchange rate.

But where it gets strange is, when you want to buy dollars for your pesos. To support the fiction of their artificial rate, Argentines were allowed to buy $100 for 300ARS... but only in tiny, tiny quantities. In fact this is what their ATM cards would get them if they traveled to the US. But the max for their entire trip was something like $200 and they had to pay a 100% import duty on everything they purchased abroad.

And now for the knockout punch: If you worked for the government, you could have 20% of your salary converted to USD every month at the official rate.

Where did these cheap dollars come from? The treasury's quickly dwindling strategic dollar reserve. However, in order to keep the government employees at this level, they had to keep the peso at the same official exchange while in reality it devalued more and more.

And where did those dollars out of the treasury go when they got into the hands of government employees? Into banks in Miami.

To be clear, no one worked to get this wealth, it was a favor for being part of the party in power. People who worked got fucked because in the end their life savings in pesos became worthless in any other currency. To stop this from getting out of hand, the government then instituted price controls to keep the price in pesos steady on certain goods produced in the country, mainly beef, bread, etc. But those food producers could make much more selling their produce abroad, and the government had lucrative deals with China and other countries, so they slowly reduced how much food you could buy at these artificially low prices. The stickers on items in the supermarket would show you couldn't buy more than one or two a day. Other items went up in price daily.

This is how a dual currency system bleeds an economy, by funneling most of the citizens' wealth into the bank accounts of a corrupt government elite who do nothing more than manipulate the currency to drain the nation dry.

Re: Cuba’s Bitcoin Revolution

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A volatile currency with direct transaction fees ranging from $0.05-60 [edited per FreeRadical - thanks!] and indirect transaction fees of roughly $90 (socialized block reward). Whose value dropped 50% in a month then went up 50% in a month (which of course still leaves it 25% below its near-term highs). I don't think even the Cuban Peso performs like that. Think about both of those in terms of the average salary of…

> A volatile currency with direct transaction fees ranging from $0.05-60 [edited per FreeRadical - thanks!] You don't need to transact on-chain (i.e. settlement layer). There's a lightning network, where transactions are instantaneous, and fees are a few satoshis. It's amusing how most Bitcoin critics focus on on-chain fees and pretend that lightning doesn't exist. > And why did it drop 50% in a month? Because the wo…

Reading this article (https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-lightning-network-vulnerabi...) is one of the reasons why I sold my Bitcoin. There are at least four protocol-level security flaws in Lightning, which can cause the theft of funds. I also find it hard to believe that these are the only four. If you're in a restaurant and see a cockroach, you don't conclude that that's the only cockroach there. Being issues at the protocol level, these may be unfixable.

Re: Cuba’s Bitcoin Revolution

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People don't control the talents with which they were born or the environment in which they're socialised. They also don't control the distribution of talents, technologies and preferences in society that combine to determine the supply and demand curve for different careers. I would say, therefore, that an individual's earning power in the market is overwhelmingly a function of luck. It is obviously unfair to penali…

> People don't control the talents with which they were born or the environment in which they're socialised. But of course they do. Talents and a good surrounding environment aren't worth anything without a lot of education and effort. Why shouldn't a successful doctor be rewarded for that effort.

Your first and second sentence read as contradictory. Your first sentence suggests that you do think people control their genes and environment, your second sentence admits they don't, but claims this doesn't matter because those things are necessary but not sufficient to earn a lot of money - you say it also requires education and effort. I will assume your second sentence expresses your true belief.

It is controversial (though a widespread belief among philosophers), but I believe that human talent is entirely a function of the interaction of genes and environment. We don't control the neighborhood in which we are born, the school in which we're enrolled, the values instilled in us, or our temperamental inclination to learning. I believe, for similar reasons, that we don't control our own effort. Humans don't stand apart from the naturalistic universe, but are a part of it. Others claim that while genes and environment play the largest role in determining our talents, we also have a degree of volition in those constraints with which to make better or worse use of those conditions, and for which we should be awarded responsibly. Either way, on the strong or weak version, our talents are largely our of our control, and it is therefore unfair to heavily reward or punish people for them.

I'm also extremely sceptical of the idea that high-earning jobs demand more effort. I have a PhD and it required a fair amount of work. My immediate family were all in unskilled, low-paying jobs which they found boring, and derived little satisfaction from. Who put more effort in? We both had to work, but I found it interesting and fulfilling, whereas they did not. For them, there was a far greater gap between what they were doing and what they wanted to be doing. I think it's obvious that their jobs required more effort in any morally relevant sense. The relationship between effort and pay seems fairly incidental, but a general trend is that the more you are paid, the more likely the job is to exercise and develop your faculties. In this respect, the trendline goes from harder to easier with pay.

Re: Cuba’s Bitcoin Revolution

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> I cannot, for one, think of a solid justification. Really ? Any person without a severe physical disabilities can be a street cleaner - you need very low incentives to generate people capable. Surgeons take like a decade of training and a small % of the population is even capable of becoming one and there's a demand for their skills. Software developers create output that potentially has a very non-linear return. F…

actually, statistics prove you wrong. Cuba pays surgeons roughly the same as streetcleaners but they have twice the amount of specualists per 100.000, compared to the united states (1). If you look at countries that have (almost) free education (like cuba), you see that these countries have similar numbers of physicians/specialists per 100.000 people. These facts tend to show that the main factor for having "enough"…

Haha I've lived in a post communist country - if you believe for one second that a surgeon and street cleaner have the same compensation you are extremely naive. The artificial restrictions on direct pay just get transformed into other things.

I've listened to Yoel Romero talk about their Olympic program, how the children in the camp would get more food if they performed better in training and they would pit each other aginst one another to promote competition. You think the kids participate because they wanted to compete in the Olympics ? He could have just cleaned the streets and make the same as a surgeon...

Re: Cuba’s Bitcoin Revolution

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> People don't control the talents with which they were born or the environment in which they're socialised. But of course they do. Talents and a good surrounding environment aren't worth anything without a lot of education and effort. Why shouldn't a successful doctor be rewarded for that effort.

Your first and second sentence read as contradictory. Your first sentence suggests that you do think people control their genes and environment, your second sentence admits they don't, but claims this doesn't matter because those things are necessary but not sufficient to earn a lot of money - you say it also requires education and effort. I will assume your second sentence expresses your true belief. It is controver…

> ... My immediate family were all in unskilled, low-paying jobs which they found boring, and derived little satisfaction from. ...

For that matter, I agree that many unskilled jobs are quite undervalued, and should be paid more. But the way to achieve that is surely not to dismiss the genuine, sometimes strenuous effort involved in developing valuable skills and talents as the mere outcome of unearned factors out of our control.

Re: Cuba’s Bitcoin Revolution

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> To open a channel for everyone on earth would cost up to a third of a trillion dollars and take over 75 years Not with the upcoming[1] "channel factories"[2]. [1] http://anyprevout.xyz/ [2] https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/67158/what-are-c...

By how much do you think it would reduce the L1 load? That article suggests if you can get 10 people together it would reduce the load to 1/10, so still almost a decade. And that's iff you happen to find 10 people who fit the specific shape exactly. That's still wildly unacceptable if true, and also unbelievably unlikely. LN has always been a "but wait! we've got a solution just around the corner - please don't give…

> By how much do you think it would reduce the L1 load? That article suggests if you can get 10 people together it would reduce the load to 1/10, so still almost a decade.

If I understand correctly the maximum number of people involved in a channel factory creation is the same as the maximum number of keys involved in a multi-signature transaction. The limit is currently 15 or 20[1] but with Shnorr signatures (that will be enabled in the protocol with taproot in November) I think there is no limit to that number.

> And that's iff you happen to find 10 people who fit the specific shape exactly.

I'm not sure what specific shape you're referring to. At the end they all need to sign a specific transaction but that transaction can easily generated by a wallet software or a service provider given all the participants' key and UTXO. They don't need to all send the same amount to the factory.

> LN has always been a "but wait! we've got a solution just around the corner - please don't give up!" feature - but there's nothing around the corner.

The problem itself (on-boarding the whole population) doesn't exist yet either. It doesn't look like a problem impossible to solve by the time it needs to be solved. And if it needs to be solved first then the whole population can probably wait for that to happen.

[1] https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/23893/what-are-t...

Re: Cuba’s Bitcoin Revolution

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Your first and second sentence read as contradictory. Your first sentence suggests that you do think people control their genes and environment, your second sentence admits they don't, but claims this doesn't matter because those things are necessary but not sufficient to earn a lot of money - you say it also requires education and effort. I will assume your second sentence expresses your true belief. It is controver…

> ... My immediate family were all in unskilled, low-paying jobs which they found boring, and derived little satisfaction from. ... For that matter, I agree that many unskilled jobs are quite undervalued, and should be paid more. But the way to achieve that is surely not to dismiss the genuine, sometimes strenuous effort involved in developing valuable skills and talents as the mere outcome of unearned factors out of…

Your phrasing begs the question, for something to be discounted it has to exist. That's the debate, I and most contemporary philosophers to consider the subject think most of our talents are unearned. That might conflict with the psychological and ideological stories we tell to comfort ourselves and justify the domination of the poor, but I think it's very likely that the strong or weak version of the thesis is true. As I said in my original post, talents also only confer earning power relative to the particular configuration of supply and demand during our working life - over which, clearly, we have no control.
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