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Europe's all-time heat record set in Sicily at nearly 120 degrees

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Re: Europe's all-time heat record set in Sicily at nearly 120 degrees

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Post by alexose »

merpnderp wrote: post #75
alexose wrote: post #43

The IPCC is due to release a more comprehensive look at solar geoengineering in 2022. I say we start planning for it now, and be ready to roll it out if and when the climate models predict that it's safe enough to do so.

We've known for a while we can trivially block solar irradiation. What we don't know is if we can do it without making things worse. Geoengineering will be a lot more dangerous than just switching the world to nuclear power.

I would argue two points here:

- Switching the world to nuclear power would require global cooperation, hundreds of billions of dollars, and 20+ years of construction

- Things are already quite bad

Now, I don't want to start messing with the earth's albedo all willy nilly. But if our climate models suggest that this could be a viable stopgap that can be deployed for less than we spend on corn subsidies, then we should do it.

Re: Europe's all-time heat record set in Sicily at nearly 120 degrees

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Post by nec4b »

yokaze wrote: post #120
q1w2 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Global warming is about average temperature increases. Individual one-off high temperatures only gives ammunition to climate deniers when they see a record low temperature somewhere in the world. It does more harm than good to raise the climate change alarm for these events, and requires some statistical gymnastics to conclusively tie it to global warming. The real alarms are more than sufficient.

> Global warming is about average temperature increases. Individual one-off high temperatures only gives ammunition to climate deniers when they see a record low temperature somewhere in the world. That is why it got rebranded to climate change. Yes, it is about the global average temperature, but that is too abstract for people to understand, and exactly gets discussed when "they see a record low temperature somewhe…

>>You do not have to conclusively tie individual events to global warming. The point here is, that those news come in more and more often.

Do they? Feels more like media frenzy, trying to connect every weather phenomenon to climate change. Every year around IPCC report release there is an uptick of everything weather related being attributed to climate change.

Re: Europe's all-time heat record set in Sicily at nearly 120 degrees

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Post by Oletros »

falsaberN1 wrote: post #119

Weird. 3 years ago, on the 2nd and 3rd of August in a particular area in northwest Spain I pass by at times, there were 53ºC. It felt like inescapable death, and it was 100% relative humidity to boot, and residences usually don't have anything like AC installed by default. The locals remember it well (just mention "those really hot days 3 years ago") and I remember the horror of seeing that number on the forecast and…

Because those thermometers are not calibrated and they are not meant to register official temperatures

They don´t follow the procedures for record temps

Re: Europe's all-time heat record set in Sicily at nearly 120 degrees

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Post by ninthcat »

q1w2 wrote: post #105
lhorie wrote: post #25

That's 48.8 Celsius for the non-americans. Scrolling through the tweets, some people are saying it's likely a short spike in temperature due to foehn winds[0] and that this reading doesn't really mean much due to the source of the reading. Here's an interesting thread nitpicking things apart[1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foehn_wind [1] https://twitter.com/extremetemps/status/1425424519129407489

Global warming is about average temperature increases. Individual one-off high temperatures only gives ammunition to climate deniers when they see a record low temperature somewhere in the world. It does more harm than good to raise the climate change alarm for these events, and requires some statistical gymnastics to conclusively tie it to global warming. The real alarms are more than sufficient.

Climate change involves more extreme weather events, including anomalous temperatures in both directions. An increase in average temperatures doesn't do as much visible damage as an increase in probability of long-tail events. It is accurate and important to connect statistically extreme weather events to climate change.

Re: Europe's all-time heat record set in Sicily at nearly 120 degrees

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Post by stjohnswarts »

perardi wrote: post #38

Yes, OK, everyone, Fahrenheit, we get it, metric system, cut the smugness, Axios is a US-centric publication, discuss the issues. Such as: the feedback mechanisms that may come into play here. Europe, broadly, hasn’t been big on AC. That may have to change, as 322 Kelvin is just not bearable. But that means more power use…which means more energy use…which probably comes from fossil fuels…which means more issues with…

Wait does anyone actually use Kelvin anywhere other than lab environment?

Re: Europe's all-time heat record set in Sicily at nearly 120 degrees

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Post by stjohnswarts »

saiya-jin wrote: post #80
snemvalts wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends where you live. Germany has done an idiotic 180 away from nuclear, but France is heavily into it. https://www.electricitymap.org/

But France isn't building any new, is it. A slow phase-out is what is aligned for near future, and almost entirely replacing it with fossil fuels

Europe is looking to mow down US forests for "climate friendly" "carbon neutral" power plants. https://mashable.com/article/europeans-burn-forests-bioenerg...

Re: Europe's all-time heat record set in Sicily at nearly 120 degrees

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Post by bserge »

Inate_Hikkers wrote: post #118
bserge wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Extract the resources and not live there. Settle Antarctica. Murder the mass refugees. The usual shit. And yeah, countries will claim and fight over useless pieces of land. There's plenty of people who can be sent to die defending or occupying it. Don't like reality? Downvote and live in lalaland until a "sudden tragedy" happens "out of nowhere".

Iran-Iraq War vibes, tfw lose 100k men only for status quo antebellum. if i get drafted i am deserting to Russia ASAP.

Afghanistan now, lol. What a load of bullshit.

Re: Europe's all-time heat record set in Sicily at nearly 120 degrees

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Post by bserge »

layer8 wrote: post #92
bserge wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not AIcist, but it really shouldn't take more than a second to understand what the scale is. 120 degC = mass extinction. No one uses Reaumur and Kelvin is only used as a joke or by absolute pedants. Hence, it's Fahrenheit.

It could be read as a longitude if you’re poor in geography.

Poor in everything, I guess, since longitudes don't tend to move much over time.
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