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Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Post by stjohnswarts »

DarkmSparks wrote: post #148
azinman2 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Secondly, it seems rife for abuse: dont like someone who uses an ios device, msg them some cp and destroy their entire life. I see this a lot. First of all, if you even have CP in the first place that seems quite bad and that you've made yourself vulnerable. Messaging someone will also reveal yourself as the sender. But my bigger question of this hypothetical issue is that Facebook, Google, Dropbox, Microsoft, etc…

>Messaging someone will also reveal yourself as the sender Sending a link to 4chan /b would probably be enough. Or a hidden iFrame in a forum post. Its very very easy to get images onto someones device without their consent, getting them to upload them to a 3rd party is completely different.

Currently it would not catch that 4chan thing as they only scan things that are uploaded to icloud photos. So you'd have to click on it and save to photos. This is the current implementation. I would guess that once they have their hooks in though all files with an image extension/header will be scanned and reported.

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Post by cucumb3rrelish »

breck wrote: post #194
travoc wrote: post #7

Can someone explain how Apple being coaxed or coerced into searching all of our personal devices for illegal files by federal law enforcement is not an unconstitutional warrantless search?

My money is this is secretly about nuclear, bio, chemical or other WMD or “dangerous” material. I can’t imagine that Apple would be so stupid to open such a Pandora’s box to an Orwellian state and crimes against all children in the name of making no statistical difference in the porn problem. There has got to be a hidden story here and severe pressure on top executives, otherwise I can’t see how the math makes sense.…

Something tells me people with access to nuclear arsenal are not going to take pictures of it with an iphone and share them via imessages

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Post by istingray »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #171
akiselev wrote: post #158

> It's a complete change of narrative and there's no easy way to explain it and still defend Apple's Privacy narrative, wihout doing extreme mental gymnastics. Everyone who took Apple at their word was already doing extreme mental gymnastics because Apple's privacy stance was a farce on borrowed time to begin with. Now it's just blatantly obvious to everyone.

Please stop insulting people because they chose less privacy than you. Don't act superior. I would posit that just about everyone who reads hackernews knows that privacy and security are on a spectrum. People complaining about this as the last straw have every right to do so and this is a huge leap from Apple's previous position. No one thinks you're any smarter by saying "I told you so".

Important adjustment -- privacy and surveillance are what's on a spectrum. Security is not the inverse of privacy.

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Post by slg »

jdavis703 wrote: post #189
slg wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'm not giving my photos to anyone. I am just taking photos on my phone and Apple is automatically backing them up to iCloud. I have no idea how that feature was turned on or how to turn it off." ~ most normal people. People here too often only think of these issues from the perspective of the type of person who browses HN. Apple is thinking of this from the perspective of an average iPhone users.

You have to configure iCloud backups when setting up a phone for the first time. Someone who is non-technical, but privacy conscious isn’t going to do this.

I don't know why technical people assume non-technical people fully understand the privacy implications of certain technology.

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Post by istingray »

busymom0 wrote: post #166
akiselev wrote: post #158

> It's a complete change of narrative and there's no easy way to explain it and still defend Apple's Privacy narrative, wihout doing extreme mental gymnastics. Everyone who took Apple at their word was already doing extreme mental gymnastics because Apple's privacy stance was a farce on borrowed time to begin with. Now it's just blatantly obvious to everyone.

While I knew that the "privacy" stance from Apple in prior years was always a marketing facade to sell more devices, I still continued to believe that they would keep sticking up for privacy as much as possible. It's kind of funny how I am very suspicious of governments and politicians but when it comes to a trillion dollar corporation, I was giving them more of benefit of doubt. I was wrong.

I appreciate you saying this, I felt the same way. I was delighted when Apple started selling privacy hard, and hoped it would persist. Their "Mind your own business" [1] ad was a delight - only 2 months ago. Now my question is, which of the annoying characters in the ad is Apple?

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w4qPUSG17Y

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Post by rootusrootus »

I think Apple actually thought they were doing the right thing. Maybe they are, and we're overreacting. Things have to calm down a bit first before that will be clear. But either way, it was [yet another] PR miscalculation. A very Apple thing to do...

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Post by stjohnswarts »

vineyardmike wrote: post #98
nrabulinski wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If iCloud content was encrypted (as it should be given what Apple says about themselves and privacy) they wouldn’t and couldn’t care any less what the data on their servers contains since, ideally, they’d have no way of decrypting that data. No need for any privacy invasion! > Apple needs to make sure you don’t have certain content on your phone. Excuse me, what? What does Apple care what I have on my device?

> they wouldn’t and couldn’t care any less what the data on their servers Except they're legally forced to care. Thats why this is happening at all. They have a legal obligation to care, encryption be damned. They chose to preserve encryption instead of preserve trust.

they really don't though. no one can force them to scan a user for anything, however if they do scan and spot CP then obviously they have a duty to report it. Just like you have a duty to report child abuse if you're a teacher. No scans, no CP, no issues. This has been forced on them by the government by some means I think, either the US government or the CCP.

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Post by dang »

intricatedetail wrote: post #240
whoisjuan wrote: post #132

This CSAM Prevention initiative by Apple is a 180 degress change of their general message around privacy. Imagine investing hundreds of millions of dollars in pro-privacy programs, privacy features, privacy marketing, etc... just to pull this reverse card. Of course this is going to spark concern within their own ranks. It's like working for a food company that claims to use organic, non-processed, fair-trade ingredi…

Power 101: preach one thing do opposite

Please don't post flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments. We're trying for something a bit different from internet default here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

baggy_trough wrote: post #157
whoisjuan wrote: post #132

This CSAM Prevention initiative by Apple is a 180 degress change of their general message around privacy. Imagine investing hundreds of millions of dollars in pro-privacy programs, privacy features, privacy marketing, etc... just to pull this reverse card. Of course this is going to spark concern within their own ranks. It's like working for a food company that claims to use organic, non-processed, fair-trade ingredi…

Hey it's still private... unless you have content that matches an opaque, government controlled list of forbidden content... what could go wrong?

Please don't post flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments. We're trying for something a bit different from internet default here.

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Post by dang »

Covzire wrote: post #203
baggy_trough wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey it's still private... unless you have content that matches an opaque, government controlled list of forbidden content... what could go wrong?

Antifa or BLM or Burger King will never demand that they add certain content to the burn list. Don't worry. Be happy.

Please don't post flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments. We're trying for something a bit different from internet default here.

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