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Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

#61
There are two things that make me think this will be walked back.

Firstly, and most importantly, this kind of backdoor is the kind of thing that makes big corps prohibit the use/purchases of devices.

Secondly, it seems rife for abuse: dont like someone who uses an ios device, msg them some cp and destroy their entire life.

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

#62

In their attempt to make this extra private by scanning 'on device', I think they've managed to make it feel worse. If they scan my iCloud photos in iCloud, well lots of companies scan stuff when you upload it. It's on their servers, they're responsible for it. They don't want to be hosting CSAM. It feels much worse them turning your own, trusty iPhone against you. I know that isn't how you should look at it, but tha…

In reality, the fact that they do the scanning on-device is actually better privacy-wise. But I can see how instinctually it “feels” wrong.

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Apple isn’t the government.

They are acting on behalf of the government.

AFAICT, they are not. But if you have evidence that this is government directed (reporting results tonthe government isn’t sufficient for the private party’s action to be “on behalf of” government for Constitutional purposes), please, present it.

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IANAL but I presume I consented to this in their EULA.

A EULA cannot force you to give up your constitutional rights.

Constitutional rights can be voluntarily waived.

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Apple isn’t the government.

Why did Apple invest so much engineering effort, into something so complex, without being told to do so? This move doesn't benefit their brand, or the year of advertising they have done to differentiate themselves with Google and facebook as a privacy focused company.

> This move doesn't benefit their brand, or the year of advertising they have done to differentiate themselves with Google and facebook as a privacy focused company.

They probably don't want “safe haven for child porn” to be part of their brand distinction from other online firms.

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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The practical difference is that with on-device scanning, the system is just a few bit flips away from scanning every photo on your device, instead of just the ones that are about to be uploaded. With server-side scanning, the separation is clear—what's on Apple's server can be scanned, and what's only on your phone cannot. This all plays so perfectly into my long-time fears about the locked down nature of the iPhone…

I feel like this is a false sense of security. Even before this change, they can easily access and scan photos on your device. If they do any post-processing of the image on device, they already do.

Apple already scans your photos for faces and syncs found faces through iCloud. I’d imagine updating that machine learning model is at least as straightforward as this one.

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

#70

There are two things that make me think this will be walked back. Firstly, and most importantly, this kind of backdoor is the kind of thing that makes big corps prohibit the use/purchases of devices. Secondly, it seems rife for abuse: dont like someone who uses an ios device, msg them some cp and destroy their entire life.

It seems easy as hell for them to just change the system to do server-side scanning instead of client-side scanning and it would probably be enough to calm the horde.

I think people can understand, Apple can't have certain content on their servers. People have a much harder time understanding that Apple needs to make sure you don't have certain content on your phone.

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