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Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by llimos »

mkotowski wrote: post #259
llimos wrote: post #245

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> It would be quite ironic if, after all those changes, the words “primary” and “secondary” would simply become the synonyms of “master” and “slave”. As in, to describe actual human slavery? Most English-speaking countries don't have actual human slavery any more (or at least, they don't use the words master and slave to describe it.) So when using the words master and slave to refer to actual slavery, it's usually i…

> As in, to describe actual human slavery? Sorry, but I do not understand the question. Do you mean as to distinguish slavery relationship in logical systems (as with databases) versus human relations? If so, that wasn’t my intention. What I was talking about was more about a euphemism replacing an actual word, as with taboo avoidance: > This terminology for the animal originated as a taboo avoidance term: proto-Germ…

That's very different. There, the thing being referred to is the thing they didn't want to refer to.

Here, there is nothing whatsoever wrong with the _thing_ being referred to (a password, in this case.) The issue is that the commonly used word _also_ has some other associations. So picking a different word means you lose those associations. Not the same thing at all.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by [deleted] »

brnt wrote: post #240
mdp2021 wrote: post #191

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I am not sure if I will be able to convey the point as well as I wish, but: don't you think this way the enemy wins a battle ? Terrorists attempt bending politics through terrorizing: if one is terrorized, is that one not playing their game? We greet in some sensible way, say, and somebody comes and promotes the greeting as now meaning "short people should stick to accounting": that somebody should not be nobilitated…

> «Languages live», but uprooted they go astray. That is nonsensical. There is no such thing as a line language should not stray too far from. Languages are what they are, plain and simple. The fact that you speak English, is already a horrible affront to the French, the Celts, Angles, Saxons, both in their current day form and that of yesteryear, and any precursors to those languages in turn. English shouldn't even…

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Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by Normille »

jollybean wrote: post #181
Sebguer wrote: post #44

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What's pathetic is thinking that trying to use inclusive language is pathetic.

The disagreement is not over 'inclusivity' - it's over whether a specific word has anything to do with it. The #1 failure of social justice activist movements worldwide is to suggest that people who don't agree with a particular policy must somehow be racist/sexist. It's the giant bit of gaslighting that discredits the movement, and frankly, in some cases, reveals 'truer intentions'. The assumption that arbitrary wor…

Exactly.

As I alluded to in my other reply in this thread [which got downvoted into oblivion] the problem with these SJWs is that their world view is so parochial and [in terms of time] narrow, that they think these terms are offensive because "slavery"... "racism"... even when the terms and their connotations often pre-date their worldview or even their country.

A previous classic example was the same kind of people getting their knickers in a twist over the use of the adjective "black" to describe something bad because... yep, you got it... "slavery"... "racism"...

Anyone with the slightest bit of historical and cultural awareness would realise that the use of "black" as an adjective with negative connotations dates back centuries, if not millennia and blindingly obviously originates from early religious connotations of light being good and darkness being filled with danger and evil. But, of course, to the SJWs, any use of "black' in a negative sense has got to be a veiled reference to American slavery by those evil racists and their non-inclusive language.

It was a black day for the world, when this political correct bullshit became the only acceptable form of expression.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by foresto »

yakubin wrote: post #182

> Thunderbird now operates in multi-process (e10s) mode by default What does e10s mean here? UPDATE: I've found an explanation[1]: > In Mozilla documentation "Electrolysis" is often shorted as "e10s". What a silly scheme. [1]: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis >

> > In Mozilla documentation "Electrolysis" is often shorted as "e10s".

> What a silly scheme.

Agreed. It might be more convenient for the person typing, but ironically, it impedes the understanding of their message. See also: i18n, l10n, a11y, k8s.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by fluidcruft »

handrous wrote: post #231
fluidcruft wrote: post #190

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It could also have been that an end user filed a bug report or feature request and made a convincing case. Then someone just reads over the commit logs to write the version announcement. It does just seem to be an outgrowth of the whole "master" branch thing in git and low-hanging fruit for a contributor to tackle. Overall who cares, really. "Primary password" is better than "Main password" IMHO. I'm also not sure "M…

"Master password"'s advantage is the connection to the term, from the normal, non-computer world, "master key".

Sure, but I'm willing to bet that next to nobody who doesn't work with encryption makes that analogy. You also don't typically use a "master key" to unlock a locked box of keys so it's not really a great analogy anyway.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by handrous »

fluidcruft wrote: post #265
handrous wrote: post #231

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"Master password"'s advantage is the connection to the term, from the normal, non-computer world, "master key".

Sure, but I'm willing to bet that next to nobody who doesn't work with encryption makes that analogy. You also don't typically use a "master key" to unlock a locked box of keys so it's not really a great analogy anyway.

Yeah, I'm aware it's not a perfect analogy, but it's still the best you're going to get for communicating the idea succinctly (just with the name, even) to a lay-person. Alternatives like "vault password" or "locker password" (or something along those lines), provided it's made very clear to the user, repeatedly and persistently, that their passwords are in something you're calling a vault or a locker, can be about as good. "Primary", or anything similar, is worse.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by foresto »

s3tz wrote: post #32
kettleballroll wrote: post #27

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Master/Slave nomenclature is considered "problematic language" (because it harks back to slavery), and thus often replaced with more PC language these days. My organization had a whole "fix this nomenclature throughout the whole codebase" week (things like "black-/whitelist, master/slave, ....)

Fine, but at least make it consistent then. GitHub uses "main" and now this uses "primary", next someone will use "base" and I'm not sure at all how this is better in any way.

> GitHub uses "main"

Amid the currently fashionable trend of language culling, I was mildly surprised to find myself agreeing with this particular change: In git, I think "main" is a better choice than "master", because it more accurately and succinctly reflects the intent.

(In general, though, I think the trend is misguided and counterproductive.)

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by ryanleesipes »

callahad wrote: post #233
hosteur wrote: post #142

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Will add that to my queue for later Do you have a TL;DL?

I did back in February, but I'm unlikely to be able to completely accurately recount that now. One thing I do remember is Ryan explaining how just being willing to directly ask people for money has been surprisingly effective. It's also worth putting Thunderbird's relationship to Mozilla in proper perspective: for all intents and purposes, Thunderbird is a completely independent project. Since 2017 ( https://blog.thu…

That's pretty much it. Can confirm, as I am Ryan Sipes. We (Thunderbird) are still 99.9% donation supported, so every bit helps.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by The_Colonel »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #226
The_Colonel wrote: post #161

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The root of the names Slovakia (Slovensko) and Slovenia (Slovenija) trace back to "slovo", literally "word" (denoting people who speak the same language).

Yugoslavia is based on souther slavs (juzni slaveni), so slavs. Source: born there

... and "slaveni" comes again from "slovo".

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by neogodless »

Well, one issue I have with this new version is that it has somehow reverted the behavior for opening URLs to using a Thunderbird tab. Figured it out pretty quickly when I tried to use a link and then login, and the form didn't work. Cannot find a setting for this anywhere, and some places suggest installing an Add-On just to change this setting!

Tried to follow this: https://www.lifewire.com/change-the-default-browser-in-thund...

But http/https are not in my list of content providers. Only PDF!

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