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Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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post #63

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Updates are delayed to give add-on developers time to update their add-ons to be compatible with Thunderbird 91 if changes are necessary.

Was there a separate release for 78 to fix the iirc four potential code execution vulnerabilities? (On a phone atm so I haven't checked myself, but since people are saying no update available for their 78, it sounds like no?!)

It looks like 78.13 is this month's security update for the 78 branch, the direct update from 78 to 91 just isn't allowed yet.

[0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2021-3...

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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It makes me happy that the Thunderbird project keeps going and is getting funding. Granted, I've tried Thunderbird and have used it in the past, but I can't use it as a daily driver. The lack of integration without plugins for CAL/CARD Dav is irritating, and the notifications don't work as well in GNOME.

I can't say I'm in love with Evolution, either, but their restore from backup file and no nonsense approach to email is nice. It's also stable, and although it may not be the best, it is a constant that will likely never change (layout, UI, GNOME integration). It's really nice on RHEL 8 using it for personal and corporate functions all in one with no plugins (read / write, calendar, contacts). It links up to my mailbox.org server no problem.

Email is a weird beast these days. For corporate, you're stuck with whatever your employers tells you to do. For personal, chances are you have a gmail and have 46289902834 unread messages that they auto filter for you in an ads tab (being facetious) and force you to use webmail. In HN world, there is a large divide between the "mutt or die" crowd and the "I don't give a shit, webmail, etc." Maybe if developers cared more about email, the applications would be better? I really don't know. It's just an observation and I may be totally wrong or misread the room.

Although I don't use the client, I applaud the developers and appreciate them keeping the project going, and knowing if I ever have to use MacOS or Windows in addition to RHEL, I have a cross platform option.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They changed their name for non futile reasons. And contextually, 'slave' comes from 'Slav', not the opposite: you meet a Pispathian, you decide that a "pisp" (which incidentally in local language with a good chance means "valiant" or similar) is a reifiable one of a reifiable people, and after the insult they should also change their name?!

Of course not. > some Slavic countries might request their naming and history be changed to something delinked from slavery... Shall we rename Slovenia and Slovakia, too? If they want to rename themselves, we should use their new names.

Are any people affected by slavery asking for Thunderbird to change the name of components with two decades of documentation?

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#254

It makes me happy that the Thunderbird project keeps going and is getting funding. Granted, I've tried Thunderbird and have used it in the past, but I can't use it as a daily driver. The lack of integration without plugins for CAL/CARD Dav is irritating, and the notifications don't work as well in GNOME. I can't say I'm in love with Evolution, either, but their restore from backup file and no nonsense approach to ema…

Reading through the change log, it looks like CAL/CARD Dav support is native now! Awesome.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

I feel like I'm Stallone in the movie Demolition Man.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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post #240

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I am not sure if I will be able to convey the point as well as I wish, but: don't you think this way the enemy wins a battle ? Terrorists attempt bending politics through terrorizing: if one is terrorized, is that one not playing their game? We greet in some sensible way, say, and somebody comes and promotes the greeting as now meaning "short people should stick to accounting": that somebody should not be nobilitated…

> «Languages live», but uprooted they go astray. That is nonsensical. There is no such thing as a line language should not stray too far from. Languages are what they are, plain and simple. The fact that you speak English, is already a horrible affront to the French, the Celts, Angles, Saxons, both in their current day form and that of yesteryear, and any precursors to those languages in turn. English shouldn't even…

> that is no argument for fixing a particular meaning or context as more important or 'native' than any other

You missed from my argument that the above statement is part of my argument: it is normal for language to also represent controversial (contextually) cases, but «that is no argument for fixing [such] particular meaning or context as more important» or having priority over, especially, its core meaning.

You are missing that I oppose an appropriation, that reduces of that richness of applications to a "yes but, you see, we cannot forget what happened in Khartoum, there is no return from that episode and now if you mention it I can only think of the event". No, the richness is intact, you are covering it. And the subsequent argument I proposed, replying to you, contains: beware while covering it of not being supportive to some political effort you would otherwise oppose.

Example: one extremist a few years ago apparently instructed his followers, their music shall be that of Depeche Mode - their guts should resonate with that; the authors of «the grabbing hands grab all they can» and «we are going backwards, to a caveman mentality» showed being less than impressed. If people stopped listening to Depeche Mode because an extremist finds their sound instrumental to hook underdeveloped prefrontals, and now there is an association, they should be dehypnotized. The extremist or another could have invented that 'depeche' is now a world that means their attempt world domination: I am not saying that Gore Gahan and Fletcher have a full right to the word, I am saying that one would not be justified to call the word "now embarassing" because some fool came up with his low fumes.

If we measured our associations with the worse in society, we would be in deep trouble, repeat:

supporting and justifying associations following the worse in society is a recipe for collective damage.

Never empower the "wrong side". If already you allow them to bend your vocabulary...

Technically, for the rest: a term is a pattern, one can apply it metaphorically to a large number of cases. (Its transliteration is largely irrelevant - 'jñāna', 'gnoscere', 'know'...) The core meaning is found navigating to the "original" pattern behind all applications. Etymology helps you with that. Forgetting the core pattern is what I called uprooting.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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post #95
post #6

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It seems that its being managed by a subsidiary of Mozilla, MZLA Technologies Corporation: https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozilla-moves-to-monetize-thun... . Apparently they are hiring: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/careers/#apply

Anyone knows how they plan to monetize Thunderbird? I am skeptical about using a "monetized" mail client.

Like this:

> Why we need donations

Thunderbird is no longer funded by Mozilla. Fortunately there is an active community keeping it running and developing it further. But to survive long term, the project needs funding.

Thunderbird’s funding goes toward the significant infrastructure and staff that must be maintained to deliver the application to our tens of millions of users. For Thunderbird to survive and continue to evolve, we need your support and ask for your donation today. All the money donated will go directly to funding Thunderbird development and infrastructure.

They aren't receiving any funding so there is no expectation of profit. I assume the project will be around so long as enough donations keep coming in to make upkeep worthwhile.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They changed their name for non futile reasons. And contextually, 'slave' comes from 'Slav', not the opposite: you meet a Pispathian, you decide that a "pisp" (which incidentally in local language with a good chance means "valiant" or similar) is a reifiable one of a reifiable people, and after the insult they should also change their name?!

Of course not. > some Slavic countries might request their naming and history be changed to something delinked from slavery... Shall we rename Slovenia and Slovakia, too? If they want to rename themselves, we should use their new names.

I think the original poster meant that Slovenia and Slovakia would never think of renaming themselves, especially not for the absurd reason that the Romans attached an unflattering association with their name.

Edit: read my original sentence as "and after the insult they should also be thought considering changing their name?!".

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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post #245

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It would be quite ironic if, after all those changes, the words “primary” and “secondary” would simply become the synonyms of “master” and “slave”. And it wouldn’t be even that improbable, in my opinion at least. In the end, in many languages the word “figuratively” was so overused as a stand in for “literally”, that it became it informal synonym (I know for sure that it is a thing in both English and Polish, but it…

> It would be quite ironic if, after all those changes, the words “primary” and “secondary” would simply become the synonyms of “master” and “slave”. As in, to describe actual human slavery? Most English-speaking countries don't have actual human slavery any more (or at least, they don't use the words master and slave to describe it.) So when using the words master and slave to refer to actual slavery, it's usually i…

> As in, to describe actual human slavery?

Sorry, but I do not understand the question. Do you mean as to distinguish slavery relationship in logical systems (as with databases) versus human relations? If so, that wasn’t my intention.

What I was talking about was more about a euphemism replacing an actual word, as with taboo avoidance:

> This terminology for the animal originated as a taboo avoidance term: proto-Germanic tribes replaced their original word for bear — arkto — with this euphemistic expression out of fear that speaking the animal's true name might cause it to appear. According to author Ralph Keyes, this is the oldest known euphemism. [0]

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear#Etymology

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

This kind of corporate "we need to be seen to be doing something rather than nothing" stuff does wind me up, it just makes people more annoyed (by breaking scripts and causing unnecessary UI changes etc) and less receptive to actual arguments for social change while at the same time producing no practical increase in social justice. It's just inauthentic tokenism designed to keep the baying beast that is Twitter away…

> This kind of corporate "we need to be seen to be doing something rather than nothing" stuff does wind me up

Do you see the long list of substantive work done, in this underfunded open source project?

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