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Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by Geezus_42 »

bostonsre wrote: post #123
mkotowski wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which in this case is doubly ironic, because pirates and buccaneers were exactly the group that had kept the slave trade alive even after it was officially banned in many places, if my limited knowledge on the Atlantic slave trade is correct.

I recall instances where they fought slavery by capturing slave trading ships, freeing the enslaved, and given them freedom and the opportunity to join them and fight the assholes that captured them in the first place. The history of Nassau is pretty interesting.

They were individualist. Some fought slavery, some helped it. No one can make a blanket statement either way.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by hosteur »

callahad wrote: post #138
hosteur wrote: post #95

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Anyone knows how they plan to monetize Thunderbird? I am skeptical about using a "monetized" mail client.

Sustain had a good podcast with Ryan Sipes (Community and Biz Dev Manager for Thunderbird) back in Februrary: https://podcast.sustainoss.org/67

Will add that to my queue for later

Do you have a TL;DL?

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by yorwba »

galacticdessert wrote: post #22

I really like Thunderbird and I use it as my primary personal email client. Just, where can I pay to speed up the development of this feature? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213945 I find a proper 3 pane view to be essential in 2021

I don't think they have a way for users to fund individual features, but you can help feature development in general by donating: https://give.thunderbird.net

Since the most recent comments indicate that they have it on the roadmap, I think that would also help the specific feature you care about.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by ekianjo »

notafraudster wrote: post #131
BoxOfRain wrote: post #121

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This kind of corporate "we need to be seen to be doing something rather than nothing" stuff does wind me up, it just makes people more annoyed (by breaking scripts and causing unnecessary UI changes etc) and less receptive to actual arguments for social change while at the same time producing no practical increase in social justice. It's just inauthentic tokenism designed to keep the baying beast that is Twitter away…

Alternative perspective on exactly the same data: This kind of developer-driven change does not wind me up, because developers working on products should be able to reflect on how those products are part of society and if they choose to make changes in their branding, presentation, or diction, they should be able to do so. Mozilla has a pretty rich tradition of employee activism, as we all observed after the Eich deb…

> I suspect employees want their work to make them feel good in terms of alignment with their bedrock principles.

if it makes you feel good to play with words I am not sure if thats a good energy expenditure for your activism. it feels like a cheap way to value signal instead of doing something actually meaningful.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by shakna »

anticodon wrote: post #139
shakna wrote: post #61

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IMAP emails are all addressed by a 32bit UID. Overwriting it would require that you experienced a hash collision, data race, or that your IMAP provider sent out the wrong set of IDs. It's incredibly unlikely to be Thunderbird's fault.

I've checked again. Only one letter was corrupt and only Subject line was corrupt. I've chosen to fix folder index from folder properties, and voila! The message was fixed. It wasn't an overwritten message or IMAP bug, it was some corruption of the Thunderbird folder index.

That index is originally created by your IMAP provider - they sent the wrong set of IDs (usually because of a race condition). When you run a fix, Thunderbird checks to see if the provider screwed anything up. It was an IMAP bug.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by Geezus_42 »

notafraudster wrote: post #131
BoxOfRain wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of corporate "we need to be seen to be doing something rather than nothing" stuff does wind me up, it just makes people more annoyed (by breaking scripts and causing unnecessary UI changes etc) and less receptive to actual arguments for social change while at the same time producing no practical increase in social justice. It's just inauthentic tokenism designed to keep the baying beast that is Twitter away…

Alternative perspective on exactly the same data: This kind of developer-driven change does not wind me up, because developers working on products should be able to reflect on how those products are part of society and if they choose to make changes in their branding, presentation, or diction, they should be able to do so. Mozilla has a pretty rich tradition of employee activism, as we all observed after the Eich deb…

My company made the change from blacklist/whitelist to blocklist/allow list over two years ago and people, mostly external, still get annoyed and I just can't understand why. The former is literally one letter different and the latter makes just as much, arguably more, sense than the term it replaced. I get that some people see it as just posturing but you have to start somewhere if you are going to change the culture. Not using colors which are also used to describe people's skin to different between a negative thing and a positive thing is good imo.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by memling »

cpach wrote: post #70

I’ve given up on desktop e-mail clients. IMHO there’s currently no UI on the market that beats the Gmail UI.

vivaldi, the successor to opera, has a client in beta. it's not as good as the old m2 client in my opinion but it's quite usable. my main gripes: keyboard navigation still isn't on par, the default is to top quote, no highlight to quote, and no encryption support. this latter doesn't bug me much because no one I know uses it. but it's fast with good search capabilities, automatic indexing, contacts, etc.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by bonzini »

el_oni wrote: post #80
seqizz wrote: post #64

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"master" is a "blocklisted" word now. I also think it's silly to change the word on places which doesn't have "slave"s (e.g. github master branch > main branch switch), but well..

I read a gitlab blog[0] where they mention that "master" comes from bitkeeper where there was a master repository and slave repositories. It does make one wonder, if there was more diversity in CS when these things were being made whether "master-slave" analogies would have made it in or whether other analogies like "parent-child", "major-minor", "leader-follower" or similar would have made it in. [0] https://about.g…

It's actually a coincidence: see https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2020-June...

In the end it doesn't really matter once the word has gotten tainted. It's still ugly that incorrect deductions spread so quickly and corrections don't.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by ulrikrasmussen »

vhanda wrote: post #62
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #17

I've used Thunderbird for many years, but recently switched to KMail because that has proper search functionality. In KMail, I can instantly search for a keyword in all my emails from the last one and a half decade, whereas this takes several minutes in Thunderbird, and during the search the UI is unusable because the result list is incrementally populated which makes it impossible to actually click on results reliab…

This is interesting to hear. When I was implementing it in KMail, I was looking at Thunderbird, and envious of their fancy search UI. I had plans of implementing something similar, but it never panned out.

Well, I like your implementation :).

This is the so-called "quick search" by the way, which works as a filter and displays results in the inbox. There is also another search feature in Thunderbird which renders results differently. I never got used to that, and never used it, as I found its semantics unpredictable.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Post by getlawgdon »

ekianjo wrote: post #144
notafraudster wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternative perspective on exactly the same data: This kind of developer-driven change does not wind me up, because developers working on products should be able to reflect on how those products are part of society and if they choose to make changes in their branding, presentation, or diction, they should be able to do so. Mozilla has a pretty rich tradition of employee activism, as we all observed after the Eich deb…

> I suspect employees want their work to make them feel good in terms of alignment with their bedrock principles. if it makes you feel good to play with words I am not sure if thats a good energy expenditure for your activism. it feels like a cheap way to value signal instead of doing something actually meaningful.

Words have meaning and power. How they are used literally changes the discourse. Your participation in this discussion is proof that the example under consideration has impact well beyond "playing with words."
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