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Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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As a German living in Australia, I’m shocked what happened to Germany. Politics turned to Left-wing/Green party vs AFD and there is no middle ground anymore. The FDP basically disappeared and there’s a cliff in society over things like the refugee crisis and Merkel’s “everyone is welcome here” politics. If I’d ever come back to Europe, I’d settle in Switzerland. It just is the better Germany(at least to me).

> there is no middle ground anymore Isn't there a grand coalition in Germany for most of the last 15 years between the center-left and center-right which did very well?

Grand coalition is basically political stand still. That isn't too negative in these times though.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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> It’s another way of saying they aren’t the same in various ways. Yes, I guess I just... figured it was extremely obvious that a foreign occupation resisted by locals and a civil war or domestic insurgency are very different, largely on those categories. I feel like I'm being asked to defend the statement that bicycles and airplanes are, though both modes of transportation, quite different in a bunch of important wa…

It’s obvious they are different. It’s not obvious what differences would render guns useless, which appears to be your position. I’m not asking you to arbitrarily explain how they are different. I’m asking you to explain how and why the differences you are thinking of make guns useless for civilians to own.

Ah, I've got you. Sorry, I probably read poorly or something.

Aggregating the differences, part of it is that the stakes are so much lower in a foreign occupation and that withdrawal to save any of several sorts of costs involved is an option that won't result in the toppling of the occupying state's government or loss of any of the occupying state's core territory or sovereignty, and the other part (also mentioned in my post) is that it's very common for a successful insurgency or rebellion [edit: against foreign occupiers, I mean, in this case] to have foreign aid, which often exceeds the benefit of private arms to such a degree that it's not clear a few folks having AKs mattered at all, so even in such cases–which are already quite different from a domestic conflict—it's usually not clear-cut that private arms made much difference.

It'd help for the analysis if a state with a modern maneuver-focus equipped-and-trained army had faced a realistic domestic threat from rebels bearing private small arms... like, ever. There've been revolutions in such states (Russia, mainly—I'm actually struggling to think of another, since even the ones with maneuver-focus equipment usually hadn't managed the training for it, so fight very differently), but they've not really been the result of civil wars or armed insurrections. Such militaries have lost abroad, but not domestically, and usually against an enemy with one or more foreign state backers—and not by actual, outright defeat on the battlefield, but by convincing the occupier (the political leadership, not the military—they're usually not routes due to loss of morale) to cut their losses and go home. I strongly suspect that the circumstances that would render private arms enough to be any meaningful part of successful resistance against such a state in a civil war or insurrection, would also mean they weren't necessary for that success in the first place—that is, the circumstances would include such overwhelming and enthusiastic support from the populace, and/or enough support from the military, that a bunch of civilian-owned rifles wouldn't much matter for the outcome. There may be some narrow, unlikely set of circumstances in which they're really be the deciding factor, but at that point the cost/risk of keeping them around would have to be incredibly low to justify doing so specifically on the grounds that they're very important for resisting tyranny (there are other justifications for firearms ownership, of course).

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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I said nothing about governments, just that the pandemic is not ending any time soon. It will be with our grandchidren, and theirs.

But why is the pandemic not ending? It seems strange that with the rollout of vaccines it would last for another 50 years.

You think it can be beaten? I doubt it (and I'm not alone in thinking that). Even if vaccine coverage were 99% everywhere the world (it won't be), and it were 99% effective (it's not) there will still be a reservoir of virus in cats, deer, gerbils ... time will tell I guess, but I think it more likely that our species will accept that it's not going away by declaring it "endemic" rather than "pandemic", as with flu.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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They're collective in that they're strongly monocultural.

Singapore isn’t and still highly collective.

It seems about as multicultural as HK is, which is not very.

You can tell by the amount of racism that is permitted.

Also, can a White person truly be Singaporean?

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Since leaving Australia (and started living in Europe) I have come to the conclusion that Australia is not a "real" country - it is just a continent owned by corporate interests that happens to also have people living on it. Corporate interests own the media, politicians, food production, education etc. and no one cares, because Life Is Good. Why expect anything to change, or people to care about strong democratic in…

> Since leaving Australia (and started living in Europe) I have come to the conclusion that Australia is not a "real" country - it is just a continent owned by corporate interests that happens to also have people living on it. Since leaving the USA and moving to Australia I've come to the conclusion that the USA is in a unstoppable decline and will continue to degrade, both in terms of society and infrastructure, for…

So who pays to support dozens of people who lost their jobs in the name of protecting one guy?

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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post #387

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Singapore isn’t and still highly collective.

It seems about as multicultural as HK is, which is not very. You can tell by the amount of racism that is permitted. Also, can a White person truly be Singaporean?

I mean Singapore has 4 official languages, 3 major ethnic groups (Chinese, Malay and Indian), and ~50% of the population are foreigners.

And yes, you a white person can be Singaporean. There aren't many, but there are Singaporean politicians who are white but Singaporean by birth.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Since leaving Australia (and started living in Europe) I have come to the conclusion that Australia is not a "real" country - it is just a continent owned by corporate interests that happens to also have people living on it. Corporate interests own the media, politicians, food production, education etc. and no one cares, because Life Is Good. Why expect anything to change, or people to care about strong democratic in…

Just curious - whereabouts in Europe have you lived and in your opinion, what are the best places for an Aussie expat?

I live in Berlin atm, and spend a not insignificant amount of time in Italy. Honestly it will depend on you and what you want to get out of it. I'd go for somewhere with jobs appropriate for your skills/qualifications and also for somewhere that does not speak English primarily (my office is an English speaking office though YMMV). It will be harder of course, but more rewarding in the end. It took me 2.5 years to be approximately conversational in German, still not professionally fluent though. But I can at least talk shit at the späti with people. If I had to move again I would probably go to Portugal and try for a fully remote position.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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post #394

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It seems about as multicultural as HK is, which is not very. You can tell by the amount of racism that is permitted. Also, can a White person truly be Singaporean?

I mean Singapore has 4 official languages, 3 major ethnic groups (Chinese, Malay and Indian), and ~50% of the population are foreigners. And yes, you a white person can be Singaporean. There aren't many, but there are Singaporean politicians who are white but Singaporean by birth.

I didn't mean legally. I meant culturally. Are they able to be just as culturally connected as everyone else, or would some people assume they are a foreigner even if they were born there?

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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> Since leaving Australia (and started living in Europe) I have come to the conclusion that Australia is not a "real" country - it is just a continent owned by corporate interests that happens to also have people living on it. Since leaving the USA and moving to Australia I've come to the conclusion that the USA is in a unstoppable decline and will continue to degrade, both in terms of society and infrastructure, for…

So who pays to support dozens of people who lost their jobs in the name of protecting one guy?

It's not about protecting one guy, but about stopping the spread as early as possible.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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That would introduce incredible lag for gamers of every kind, and network engineers on every AS would immediately notice the BGP hijack. Your scenario is far more unlikely, if not impossible.

/s ?

Why would I be sarcastic? Literally every online service would be affected if suddenly all Five Eyes traffic was being routed through Australia.

https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

Look at the sheer amount of backhaul between just the US and Japan. Now take all that traffic, stuff it down 1/10 of the amount of fiber pairs, with a fuckload more hops. You're telling me nothing will be affected and none will notice?

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