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Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#131

> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

This kind of corporate "we need to be seen to be doing something rather than nothing" stuff does wind me up, it just makes people more annoyed (by breaking scripts and causing unnecessary UI changes etc) and less receptive to actual arguments for social change while at the same time producing no practical increase in social justice. It's just inauthentic tokenism designed to keep the baying beast that is Twitter away…

Alternative perspective on exactly the same data:

This kind of developer-driven change does not wind me up, because developers working on products should be able to reflect on how those products are part of society and if they choose to make changes in their branding, presentation, or diction, they should be able to do so. Mozilla has a pretty rich tradition of employee activism, as we all observed after the Eich debacle, and I suspect employees want their work to make them feel good in terms of alignment with their bedrock principles. This is true even if individual customers oppose their politics, especially since the vast majority of users will never notice this or read a changelog. Symbolic gestures are part of a program of practically increasing social justice. They do not replace more concrete measures, they are additive in addition to them: Mozilla and Thunderbird should still pursue employment equity, charitable works, and other mission-related goals while doing this.

Although minor, the expression is authentic, and it is normal for symbolic gestures to precede other measures because it's normal to tackle problems through a combination of taking the most important actions and the easiest (even if minor) actions, the same way turning up the freezer a few degrees might not be the most important thing you can do to reduce your footprint but it is something you can do before you finish reading this post.

"Tell" is good advice for changelogs, because the literal purpose of a changelog is to tell the changes that were made. If I'm dumb enough to waste my time reading a changelog (and I obviously am), I do want you to tell me what you actually changed, even if the change is a minor change to diction or a typo fix. Collapsing changelog entries into "changed some in-program text" obfuscates the actual change and does little to demonstrate the actual changes made.

Being very worried about a change from "master" to "main" is as authentic as opponents of social justice quoting MLK to project an image of caring about social justice.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

More importantly, why can't Thunderbird and Firefox just integrate with GNOME Keyring / KDE Wallet to retrieve the m...primary password without prompting the user on startup?

Because not everybody is using GNOME or KDE.

Support of a feature doesn't mean reliance on a feature.

You can install and use Gnome/KDE apps on other desktops as well. It's just a bit dependency heavy.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#135

> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

It's absolutely ridiculous.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#136

A lot of new features. Does anybody know why there is such a surge in development? Did any big company adopt Thunderbird?

The Thunderbird Project was transfered to the MZLA Technologies Corporation, a for-profit subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation.

https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/01/thunderbirds-new-home/

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems that its being managed by a subsidiary of Mozilla, MZLA Technologies Corporation: https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozilla-moves-to-monetize-thun... . Apparently they are hiring: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/careers/#apply

Anyone knows how they plan to monetize Thunderbird? I am skeptical about using a "monetized" mail client.

Sustain had a good podcast with Ryan Sipes (Community and Biz Dev Manager for Thunderbird) back in Februrary: https://podcast.sustainoss.org/67

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#139
post #61

I like Thunderbird, but several months ago a strange bug happened that caused one sent message to overwrite another sent message (IMAP account). I've noticed only because I needed to resend contents of both messages, and I was really surprised to find that Thunderbird overwrote contents of one message with another (Subject of the overwritten message was intact). It was a one time bug and it might be caused by my IMAP…

IMAP emails are all addressed by a 32bit UID. Overwriting it would require that you experienced a hash collision, data race, or that your IMAP provider sent out the wrong set of IDs. It's incredibly unlikely to be Thunderbird's fault.

I've checked again. Only one letter was corrupt and only Subject line was corrupt. I've chosen to fix folder index from folder properties, and voila! The message was fixed.

It wasn't an overwritten message or IMAP bug, it was some corruption of the Thunderbird folder index.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#140
post #90

Huh? No Linux version available?

Why are you saying that? There's a Linux version. Although I'ld expect a Linux user to be using their package manager instead anyway. But maybe Thunderbird should eventually release a Flatpak or Snap or AppImage which are cross-distro. https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/all/

I am saying that because the Linux version of Thunderbird 91 does not seem to be available.

If I go to the download page and download the Linux version, I end up with a Thunderbird 78 tarball. Not the 91 one.

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