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Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#101
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but then again the "master key" once probably was the key to the barn where the slaves were held or the one to the "master bedroom" or such.

then again the term "ship" once probably was the vessel on which slaves were transported so we need new nomenclature for that as well.

Any word touched by evil men becomes automatically evil, hence they will control our thoughts and have already won...

that's why I am on team Lighbringer... go Luci, go!

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#102
post #9

Can someone explain what the deal with 91 is? I'm on 78, and no updates are found. On the submission's web site there is "Thunderbird version 91.0 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 78 or earlier." Why is that? Is upgrading safe? And thunderbird.net only offers me 78, anyway.

Seems to be the deliberate choice to delay automatic update for now. From the release notes:

> Thunderbird version 91.0 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 78 or earlier. *A future release will provide updates from earlier versions.*

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#103

> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

Yet another case of an organisation giving in to pressure from a vocal minority of activists.

Master does not mean the same as Primary. Master does not mean the same as Main. Efforts to replace Master with alternative, less precise words make it harder to understand what things are actually meant to be doing.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#104

> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

See also: niggardly [1]

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_n...

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#105
post #9

Can someone explain what the deal with 91 is? I'm on 78, and no updates are found. On the submission's web site there is "Thunderbird version 91.0 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 78 or earlier." Why is that? Is upgrading safe? And thunderbird.net only offers me 78, anyway.

Seems to be the deliberate choice to delay automatic update for now. From the release notes: > Thunderbird version 91.0 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 78 or earlier. *A future release will provide updates from earlier versions.*

> only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net

No, it still isn't.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#106
post #75
post #70

I’ve given up on desktop e-mail clients. IMHO there’s currently no UI on the market that beats the Gmail UI.

Which of course you improve upon need /I(rony) Edit: after I wrote the above line, I realized that many people use closed source software... Well ok then.

To be fair, even if all the software would be open source, one can not simply have both time and mastery level required to improve the programs one uses.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#107
post #92
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, on that note some Slavic countries might request their naming and history be changed to something delinked from slavery... Shall we rename Slovenia and Slovakia, too?

Sure, countries change their names all the time. North Macedonia and Eswatini in the last three years, for example.

They changed their name for non futile reasons.

And contextually, 'slave' comes from 'Slav', not the opposite: you meet a Pispathian, you decide that a "pisp" (which incidentally in local language with a good chance means "valiant" or similar) is a reifiable one of a reifiable people, and after the insult they should also change their name?!

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#108
post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The term 'master' is innocent. And it has close to fullest right to be part of the language. Meanwhile, here in the good ol' USA, we might have mucked up that elegant latin lesson a little bit [0] 0 - http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/maai/enslavement/tex...

I see, but if you take a term like 'bunny'* and then for some reason it becomes - I don't know - a sensational sexual innuendo in south Boston or the whole of the continent, it is not a fault of 'bunny', and one cannot expect that others in Anywheristan start having problems with 'bunny' out of somebody's folly. * the first term I could think of, probably as I am writing from a field having plenty of them nearby.

See: Pussy

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#109

> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

I wonder if this is moving away from master/slave terminology similar to e.g. https://www.vice.com/en/article/8x7akv/masterslave-terminolo...

It would be quite ironic if, after all those changes, the words “primary” and “secondary” would simply become the synonyms of “master” and “slave”.

And it wouldn’t be even that improbable, in my opinion at least. In the end, in many languages the word “figuratively” was so overused as a stand in for “literally”, that it became it informal synonym (I know for sure that it is a thing in both English and Polish, but it is probably more widespread). If words of completely opposite meaning can be blurred that way, it wouldn’t be so strange for that effect to emerge as a case of euphemism.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#110

> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

I think language matters, and de-normalizing language with a root in slavery is a good idea.

That assumes that the word master has a root in slavery. It was certainly used during slavery in the Americas. But it is much older. And changing the label does not change the ingredients. The impression that the word master is strongly associated with slavery is a concept that exist in that form only in the USA. But nevertheless, activists continue to fight dictionary entries instead of the problem they claim to be fighting.

The fight over every day language is a tool of opresive regimes, e.g. Hitler used it, Stalin used it, the DDR used it. I miss evidence that this fight has ever yielded positive outcomes.

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