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Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#91

Post by mdp2021 »

robert_foss wrote: post #28
dotancohen wrote: post #26

> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

I think language matters, and de-normalizing language with a root in slavery is a good idea.

The world often divides in two. Surely, relevantly,

-- those who think that language is what median people use and that naive use has a right to be accepted and create rules, seeing language as a social matter, and

-- those who think that language is what the learned have built out of competence and reflection, calling language an entity rightfully separate from societies.

For both parties «language matters». But they do not speak the same language - the second party refuses to accept bastard semantics, illegitimately born "from the saddle of incompetence". Their conclusions are opposite.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#92

Post by post-it »

jtsuken wrote: post #57
robert_foss wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think language matters, and de-normalizing language with a root in slavery is a good idea.

Also, on that note some Slavic countries might request their naming and history be changed to something delinked from slavery... Shall we rename Slovenia and Slovakia, too?

Sure, countries change their names all the time. North Macedonia and Eswatini in the last three years, for example.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#93

Post by mdp2021 »

trangus_1985 wrote: post #81
mdp2021 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Master' is not counterpart to 'slave', it is counterpart to 'inferior'. 'Master' is "greater" (ex ' magis '), vs "lesser". The most resounding example is fitting: «Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas». It is an ___extreme___ problem if somebody now thought [I change the tense out of refusal] that the term 'master' should not be used, especially if the perverse excuse were that someone used it in a way that makes s…

>The term 'master' is innocent. And it has close to fullest right to be part of the language. Meanwhile, here in the good ol' USA, we might have mucked up that elegant latin lesson a little bit [0] 0 - http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/maai/enslavement/tex...

I see, but if you take a term like 'bunny'* and then for some reason it becomes - I don't know - a sensational sexual innuendo in south Boston or the whole of the continent, it is not a fault of 'bunny', and one cannot expect that others in Anywheristan start having problems with 'bunny' out of somebody's folly.

* the first term I could think of, probably as I am writing from a field having plenty of them nearby.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#94

Post by mkotowski »

dotancohen wrote: post #26

> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

I sometimes wonder how much there could be done for people in need of an actual form of help if all that energy to change unrelated words because someone is triggered by them went into a more useful endeavor.

And beyond that, maybe it is because I am not a native speaker, but isn’t “primary” less clear than “master” in this context? `Master` suggest control/mastery over something, but `primary` rather focuses on importance/order of things, at least in my head.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#95

Post by hosteur »

dagenix wrote: post #6
ComodoHacker wrote: post #3

Congrats for moving to E11s! Who are the current team behind Thunderbird? Are they former/current Mozillians, sparing their free time?

It seems that its being managed by a subsidiary of Mozilla, MZLA Technologies Corporation: https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozilla-moves-to-monetize-thun... . Apparently they are hiring: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/careers/#apply

Anyone knows how they plan to monetize Thunderbird?

I am skeptical about using a "monetized" mail client.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#96

Post by brnt »

mdp2021 wrote: post #69
kettleballroll wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Master/Slave nomenclature is considered "problematic language" (because it harks back to slavery), and thus often replaced with more PC language these days. My organization had a whole "fix this nomenclature throughout the whole codebase" week (things like "black-/whitelist, master/slave, ....)

'Master' is not counterpart to 'slave', it is counterpart to 'inferior'. 'Master' is "greater" (ex ' magis '), vs "lesser". The most resounding example is fitting: «Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas». It is an ___extreme___ problem if somebody now thought [I change the tense out of refusal] that the term 'master' should not be used, especially if the perverse excuse were that someone used it in a way that makes s…

You are right, and I agree.

However, languages live and the people of the USA are an important determinant of where the English language is headed. They have a particular history involving this word, and that history has not been fully reckoned with. It makes sense that the same word, although in other contexts with a slightly different meaning, would be redefined or removed this way, in order to deal with that history.

Natural languages violate the sort of origins and logical meanings all the time, so this does not have to be an exception.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#97

Post by hoseja »

robert_foss wrote: post #28
dotancohen wrote: post #26

> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

I think language matters, and de-normalizing language with a root in slavery is a good idea.

I recommend "doubleplusgood password", should be maximally inclusive.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#98

Post by mdp2021 »

cpach wrote: post #88
mdp2021 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which of course you improve upon need /I(rony) Edit: after I wrote the above line, I realized that many people use closed source software... Well ok then.

Sorry, I don’t have great skills when it comes to UI design/UI programming.

Actually I was thinking of new features. For example, I developed a software application complementary to Thunderbird that used its DB to offer organizer functions (e.g. ranking of emails for task priority according to different parameters etc.)

I realize that many people take what the market offers.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#99

Post by jpxw »

mkotowski wrote: post #94
dotancohen wrote: post #26

> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

I sometimes wonder how much there could be done for people in need of an actual form of help if all that energy to change unrelated words because someone is triggered by them went into a more useful endeavor. And beyond that, maybe it is because I am not a native speaker, but isn’t “primary” less clear than “master” in this context? `Master` suggest control/mastery over something, but `primary` rather focuses on impo…

Native speaker here: yes, “primary” does not mean the same as “master”, and in this case I would argue that the distinction is relevant.

I agree with your assessment. “primary” — to me — implies one of many equally-important passwords. “master” implies a password that protects/overrides/controls all other passwords, which is what Thunderbird’s master password actually is.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#100

Post by jpxw »

hulitu wrote: post #77
GrumpyNl wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word master has to be removed or avoided in all software.

And while we are at it the words black, red, yellow, white, fat, skinny, redundant, branch and other words shall be replaced with something else. What can go wrong ? Important is to be pollitically correct. /s

You joke, but blacklist and whitelist are in the process of being cancelled.
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