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For programmers, remote working is becoming the norm

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Post by birdyrooster »

idnefju wrote: post #184
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #133

I can't wait to get back to the office. I don't have dedicated remote work space and that really eats into my productivity. Also being home and having no external pressure to keep working I can already see any breaks people tend to take are way longer than what they would take at the office. (Now someone is going to tell me that this just shows that people need more breaks, but I don't believe that) It also helps wit…

This whole post sounds like you don’t have control of your life. Why do you need to find an excuse to do things you want to do? Commit to a workout routine, commit to getting food or learning to cook to save money, commit to some mindful exercises to have more focus

because the weed, it makes it hard to hold it all together

Edit: okay fine the stoners just want to stay WFH and blaze up during the day

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Post by birdyrooster »

midrus wrote: post #153
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #133

I can't wait to get back to the office. I don't have dedicated remote work space and that really eats into my productivity. Also being home and having no external pressure to keep working I can already see any breaks people tend to take are way longer than what they would take at the office. (Now someone is going to tell me that this just shows that people need more breaks, but I don't believe that) It also helps wit…

>Food is also big draw. Now I have to worry about what I eat every day and make my food LOL

No Machine Learning cookies?! I can't handle all of these decisions!

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Post by evandijk70 »

Chilinot wrote: post #175
peakaboo wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't wait to get back to the office. > I don't have dedicated remote work space and that really eats into my productivity. Also being home and having no external pressure to keep working I can already see any breaks people tend to take are way longer than what they would take at the office. (Now someone is going to tell me that this just shows that people need more breaks, but I don't believe that) > It also hel…

I'm the same. Working from home means i no longer have to spend 2-3 hours commuting each day (add many hours to that for times when the trains breaks down, which is annoyingly often in Sweden). I have also noticed that my own productivity has skyrocketed now that im working from home and dont have the regular office distractions. I can put on music that i like myself, sit in silence while drinking coffee and think ab…

At my work, we are currently in a kind of hybrid situation, where people come in 2 days a week. I am not sure if visiting a 'couple of times a month' is a viable option.

There is still a benefit to it if you are in a project where you need to have in-depth, technical discussions. But the social benefits of being at work, and the 'chance encounters' which would help starting new projects or to bounce ideas of someone are largely gone.

I am curious to see how companies will handle this. Our boss wanted to have feedback from the team on how to handle this in the future and suggested to introduce a weekly 'work on site' day (and make all other days optional), which I think is a decent idea which we should try.

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Post by woutr_be »

My company (a large multinational bank) (about 100K employees) introduce their "future way of working" back in April. This came after most of our offices in different regions working from home due to covid.

Much to my surprise, this was actually pretty well thought out. This new way, would give people the flexibility to choose wether they work from the office or work from home, or even combine both. (They also offered the flexibility to pick your own schedule) Obviously this is all based on the team that you're in. I opted to work from home 5 days per week (since it really made no difference to me anyway), instantly got approved, and received a US$750 one-time payment to buy some home equipment.

I feel like this was a great way to handle it, give people the choice what they want to do. Some jobs require being in the office, so those people only got 1 or 2 days working from home. Also everyone who was approved for working from home (even just one day), received that one-time payment of US$750.

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Post by goldenkey »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #133

I can't wait to get back to the office. I don't have dedicated remote work space and that really eats into my productivity. Also being home and having no external pressure to keep working I can already see any breaks people tend to take are way longer than what they would take at the office. (Now someone is going to tell me that this just shows that people need more breaks, but I don't believe that) It also helps wit…

So basically, you lack the self-discipline to be satisfied with your choices, and prefer to be enlisted in some type of nanny service? Cool, I'll opt out and instead focus on bettering my defecits so I don't need to outsource my mental fortitude.

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Post by birdyrooster »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #24

I'd hate to go back to working in an office. I live in the countryside now and it's great. However I realise it may not always be so easy. So: - I'm self employed. Foreign companies aren't going to set up a branch office just to employ me. Purchasing my services however is easy. - I've niched down to a business vertical, and I'm starting to niche down more technically as well. No more "I'm a full stack developer with…

>it's a lot better than working in an office everyday

Fuckin' A

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Post by rytis »

null_object wrote: post #187
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #133

I can't wait to get back to the office. I don't have dedicated remote work space and that really eats into my productivity. Also being home and having no external pressure to keep working I can already see any breaks people tend to take are way longer than what they would take at the office. (Now someone is going to tell me that this just shows that people need more breaks, but I don't believe that) It also helps wit…

> I can't wait to get back to the office. > being home and having no external pressure to keep working > it was easy to get out of the bed and go work out > I get to just eat lunch from office's cafeteria > still in my underpants at home after work it is way harder to dress up and go do stuff The paradox in this situation, is that some employers are considering cutting the pay [0] of people who have the self-discipli…

Intuitively, I'd think, it should be the opposite - no need to pay for the office space, money saved, can give that to the employees. But no, instead - save money on the office, and then save even more on the salaries. Just wow.

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Post by birdyrooster »

midrus wrote: post #166
jasonkester wrote: post #160

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Pro tip. They can only cut your pay if you let them. Or, rather, if we collectively let them. Make it clear that you won’t accept a pay cut for the same work output. And keep negotiating your full rate for any new position you take, and this won’t affect you at all. Personally, I always bill out at my Bay Area rate regardless of where I’m physically located (and I’ve been located in some pretty strange places). It ha…

Same salary despite where you are living is really unfair. I live in Italy and with a silicon valley salary here I'd be millionaire. It just won't work, companies would find equally qualified people for less money and long term we would all have to move to cheaper places.

If you are focused on fairness, get into politics and get laws passed.

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Post by plutonorm »

OhNoMyqueen wrote: post #204
TeMPOraL wrote: post #119

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> So many cool ideas and new projects were the results of a casual lunch discussion even just random hallway chats. You can't duplicate that with Slack messages or scheduled Zoom meetings. Of course you can. You just have to allow it. Here's where "human nature" bites most management in the ass. What casual lunch discussion, random hallway chats, water cooler talks and after-hours beer have all in common is, people i…

I believe that face-to-face physical interaction is a way more determinant criteria than slacking off for making those moments productive.

Why do we imagine that in person communication is somehow mystical? I guess science doesn’t work because papers are not presented in person? I guess we are not engaged by films because the actors are not physically present?

It’s superstition.

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Post by goldenkey »

birdyrooster wrote: post #211
idnefju wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This whole post sounds like you don’t have control of your life. Why do you need to find an excuse to do things you want to do? Commit to a workout routine, commit to getting food or learning to cook to save money, commit to some mindful exercises to have more focus

because the weed, it makes it hard to hold it all together Edit: okay fine the stoners just want to stay WFH and blaze up during the day

Plenty of folks work long and difficult jobs while on Cannabis. Before it started giving me anxiety, I programmed on it for years. It made hard tasks more exploratory and fun. OP just sounds like a lazy manlet, not drug-induced malaise.
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