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Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#51

> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

The word master has to be removed or avoided in all software.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Master Key" precedes or is parallel to the Atlantic slave trade. I don't believe it has a root in slavery. Master Password is surely more related to Master Key than to any other sense of Master. Not arguing that it should or shouldn't be changed. They can change it for alliteration for all I care. Just want to talk about this etymology because that interests me.

but then again the "master key" once probably was the key to the barn where the slaves were held or the one to the "master bedroom" or such.

“Master key” goes back to 1577, which predates English involvement in the African slave trade.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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post #48

I've used Thunderbird for many years, but recently switched to KMail because that has proper search functionality. In KMail, I can instantly search for a keyword in all my emails from the last one and a half decade, whereas this takes several minutes in Thunderbird, and during the search the UI is unusable because the result list is incrementally populated which makes it impossible to actually click on results reliab…

Other than that, Thunderbird works great. I've used it for decades and still recommend it to others (mainly becauce I never invested in trying enough other cross-platform alternatives), but 'great' wouldn't be a word I'd use to describe it, there are just so many little quirks and annoyances, to the point I often have the feeling using it is constantly working around and/or ignoring those.

Yes, by "great" I guess I meant "great in comparison to other desktop email clients". KMail for example comes with its own set of quirks and annoyances, many that are similar to Thunderbird's with regards to general UX.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Master Key" precedes or is parallel to the Atlantic slave trade. I don't believe it has a root in slavery. Master Password is surely more related to Master Key than to any other sense of Master. Not arguing that it should or shouldn't be changed. They can change it for alliteration for all I care. Just want to talk about this etymology because that interests me.

but then again the "master key" once probably was the key to the barn where the slaves were held or the one to the "master bedroom" or such.

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Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#55
Are there any plans for full integration of Thunderbird's calendar with iCloud Calendar? I still have to use a web browser to access iCloud Calendar when on Windows, and I don't want to use Outlook.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#56

> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

I think language matters, and de-normalizing language with a root in slavery is a good idea.

The way these things happen is someone makes a suggestion in the company. Anyone who wants to oppose this change has a risk of being labelled racist. Now, you don't want to be "one of those" people, do you? So, these things get pushed through without anyone challenging it. It is self-censorship.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

#57

> "Master Password" renamed to "Primary Password" How does the term "Primary Password" describe the password which enables access to the list of credentials better than "Master Password"? Are they just entertained by the alliteration?

I think language matters, and de-normalizing language with a root in slavery is a good idea.

Also, on that note some Slavic countries might request their naming and history be changed to something delinked from slavery... Shall we rename Slovenia and Slovakia, too?

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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post #32

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Master/Slave nomenclature is considered "problematic language" (because it harks back to slavery), and thus often replaced with more PC language these days. My organization had a whole "fix this nomenclature throughout the whole codebase" week (things like "black-/whitelist, master/slave, ....)

Fine, but at least make it consistent then. GitHub uses "main" and now this uses "primary", next someone will use "base" and I'm not sure at all how this is better in any way.

That's hardly in the hands of any one developer to make consistent, and it was hardly entirely consistent before. As long as it makes sense in the context of a given project...

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think language matters, and de-normalizing language with a root in slavery is a good idea.

Also, on that note some Slavic countries might request their naming and history be changed to something delinked from slavery... Shall we rename Slovenia and Slovakia, too?

Yes. I suggest 'Primary', and 'Secondary'. Then let them sort out who is which. Winner gets to be...oh, wait.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Master Key" precedes or is parallel to the Atlantic slave trade. I don't believe it has a root in slavery. Master Password is surely more related to Master Key than to any other sense of Master. Not arguing that it should or shouldn't be changed. They can change it for alliteration for all I care. Just want to talk about this etymology because that interests me.

but then again the "master key" once probably was the key to the barn where the slaves were held or the one to the "master bedroom" or such.

then again the term "ship" once probably was the vessel on which slaves were transported so we need new nomenclature for that as well.
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