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Poly Network hacker returns $258M after stealing $600M

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Re: Poly Network hacker returns $258M after stealing $600M

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I love how the crypto community encourages circumventing laws, UNTIL someone steals from them using their own “smart” contract then calls on authorities for help.

How does the crypto community encourage circumventing laws?

Of course every generalization is wrong but a not so little part of the crypto community seems very interested in avoiding taxation, money laundering and buying illegal stuff without detection.

Re: Poly Network hacker returns $258M after stealing $600M

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I love how the crypto community encourages circumventing laws, UNTIL someone steals from them using their own “smart” contract then calls on authorities for help.

How does the crypto community encourage circumventing laws?

So many times across reddit and discord servers have I saw cryptocurrency enthusiasts trading ways to dodge taxes, for example.

I don't think what the government calls "drugs" should be illegal, but, selling and buying drugs with cryptocurrency is an oft advocated for activity that I've seen in these communities.

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I love how the crypto community encourages circumventing laws, UNTIL someone steals from them using their own “smart” contract then calls on authorities for help.

How does the crypto community encourage circumventing laws?

I don’t have time to compile a list, but if you listen to crypto proponents you frequently hear advocacy for circumventing democratically enacted laws and institutions like fiat currency, taxation, financial regulation, international regulation, etc.

Re: Poly Network hacker returns $258M after stealing $600M

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The article tries to imply that the hacker had a change of heart after a public plea to return the funds. In reality, parts of the crypto community moved quickly to block transactions involving the funds and some security researchers claimed they had solid leads on tracking down the hacker’s identity. I think the hacker realized that if their identity was compromised then the legal system wouldn’t look kindly on some…

I love how the crypto community encourages circumventing laws, UNTIL someone steals from them using their own “smart” contract then calls on authorities for help.

To paraphrase Kim Stanley Robinson: "That's libertarians for you — anarchists who call the police to get their bitcoins back."

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How does the crypto community encourage circumventing laws?

Of course every generalization is wrong but a not so little part of the crypto community seems very interested in avoiding taxation, money laundering and buying illegal stuff without detection.

You know whats used way more then crypto to buy illegal things and launder money? Cash

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Does it matter? Even if the hacker could only extract 1% of the notional value it would still be life-changing money.

It matters because if the dollar amount is real this is probably the largest heist in history.

Well the Bangladesh Bank heist managed to transfer close to US$1B over SWIFT. Of course since this is the traditional banking system we’re talking about, most of the transactions were either quickly blocked or since recovered. According to Wikipedia about $63M remained unrecovered as of 2018.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Bank_robbery

Re: Poly Network hacker returns $258M after stealing $600M

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Of course every generalization is wrong but a not so little part of the crypto community seems very interested in avoiding taxation, money laundering and buying illegal stuff without detection.

You know whats used way more then crypto to buy illegal things and launder money? Cash

You can’t use cash to buy a kilo of XXXX from Sergei in Ukraine when you live in Chicago.

Re: Poly Network hacker returns $258M after stealing $600M

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I haven't seen any evidence there was in fact a hack at all. A digital contract was used in a way that complied with the contract that the bonehead writers of that contract did not intend. That's it. If bad contract writers get to cry "hack" and beg for their money back there is no point to digital contracts at all. If someone had physically or electronically broken into systems and illicitly copied private keys that…

I have to agree. I was going to counterargue that technically all hacking is executing permissible actions in the sense that the system you're hacking into ends up allowing you to do what you want. That leads to why we have laws around unauthorized access etc., and that leads to digital contracts that need to be interpreted by a human with some ability to enforce their interpretation.

So yes. As the main point of digital contracts seems to be that they are self-enforcing, then it seems to follow that there can be no complaining about the results of using them.

Re: Poly Network hacker returns $258M after stealing $600M

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I haven't seen any evidence there was in fact a hack at all. A digital contract was used in a way that complied with the contract that the bonehead writers of that contract did not intend. That's it. If bad contract writers get to cry "hack" and beg for their money back there is no point to digital contracts at all. If someone had physically or electronically broken into systems and illicitly copied private keys that…

So this is like the ETH DAO thing except the "attacker" messed up?
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