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LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Post by 27182818284 »

3pt14159 wrote: post #63
knieveltech wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hiding your identity from casual observers: trivial. Hiding your identity from scrutiny by local law enforcement: straightforward. Hiding your identity from scrutiny by federal agents: Tricky. Hiding your identity from scrutiny by an international investigation after having pissed off several high octane intelligence agencies: impossible.

Not impossible. Very burdensome and lonely, but not impossible.

Not impossible in the strictest since, but highly improbable. Even Bin Laden went down and he had a lot more on his side than all of the members of lulz and anon combined.

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Post by tmp43522 »

JacobIrwin wrote: post #78

The top minds behind Lulzsec are worth more to federal authorities ALIVE - when (or if) they are caught. By alive, I mean: not in a prison cell. Frank Abagnale Jr. comes to mind.

No they're not that good, if the arrests are correct then they're actually pretty bad. For the little value that they are worth, they're worth far more as an example to be made for others.

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Post by srl »

JacobIrwin wrote: post #78

The top minds behind Lulzsec are worth more to federal authorities ALIVE - when (or if) they are caught. By alive, I mean: not in a prison cell. Frank Abagnale Jr. comes to mind.

I doubt it.

The people who are worth catching for the sake of their minds ... don't get caught. At least not nearly as easily as this group.

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Post by gdcbyers »

Jacobra wrote: post #79
gdcbyers wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree to the defined terms, and further purpose hacktivist is an activist who's chosen/preferred method is "technology", be it illegally accessing private systems, or building nifty robots out of servos and shit. But, what cause or idea have they furthered? Computer security? Social injustices? Tax evasion by corporate amarica? I can't find one other then their own personal enjoyment. I can not point to a single ac…

I would argue that their actions, at the very least, are getting people thinking about the privacy and security issues we face. Their methods are blunt and can be damaging, but you can't deny that people have been talking about these issues much more, and I think that's a good thing.

Raising awareness for privacy and security issues is a good thing. Doing so by creating more privacy and security issues is decidedly counterproductive.

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Post by commandar »

_delirium wrote: post #34

Excellent. This means the problem is solved and we don't have to secure any of our systems, because he was a one-in-a-billion case that nobody could replicate. (Surely nobody is currently doing the same things with less fanfare.)

So we shouldn't arrest people when they commit a crime because others are committing the same crime? Or because they're doing it in a high-profile manner?

I'm not sure what your point is here.

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Post by lwat »

dmbass wrote: post #12

So the A-Team dox were a bunch of rubbish? (or perhaps that was already confirmed and I missed it). http://pastebin.com/iVujX4TR

Yea that was Aaron Barr's attempt at 'exposing' anonymous after losing his job in disgrace.

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Post by 18pfsmt »

commandar wrote: post #86
_delirium wrote: post #34

Excellent. This means the problem is solved and we don't have to secure any of our systems, because he was a one-in-a-billion case that nobody could replicate. (Surely nobody is currently doing the same things with less fanfare.)

So we shouldn't arrest people when they commit a crime because others are committing the same crime? Or because they're doing it in a high-profile manner? I'm not sure what your point is here.

I think his point is that by doing this we are simply treating the symptom (breach in security), and not the cause (unsound security measures). It appears to me as "security theater" in every sense that I understand the phrase.

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Post by mdisraeli »

pyre wrote: post #56
dmbass wrote: post #12

So the A-Team dox were a bunch of rubbish? (or perhaps that was already confirmed and I missed it). http://pastebin.com/iVujX4TR

If this report is right, then those d0x were BS: ########################################################################### ########################################################################### ooooooooooooo o8o 8' 888 `8 `"' 888 .ooooo. oo.ooooo. oooo .oooo. oooo d8b oooo ooo 888 d88' `88b 888' `88b `888 `P )88b `888""8P `88. .8' 888 888 888 888 888 888 .oP"888 888 `88..8' 888 888 888 888 888 888 d8( 888 888…

It's not unreasonable to suspect that a user in the Shetlands Isles might have had a POP in Sweden, or use of a connection in Sweden to host a remote box with a better connection than available to them normally.

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Post by electromagnetic »

commandar wrote: post #86
_delirium wrote: post #34

Excellent. This means the problem is solved and we don't have to secure any of our systems, because he was a one-in-a-billion case that nobody could replicate. (Surely nobody is currently doing the same things with less fanfare.)

So we shouldn't arrest people when they commit a crime because others are committing the same crime? Or because they're doing it in a high-profile manner? I'm not sure what your point is here.

> It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong. ~Voltaire

Our governments have no comprehension or understanding of the prospects or implications that the internet has on modern civilization. When an individual can take down an organizations method of operation (mastercard/visa/paypal), it isn't the individuals fault (regardless of their actions) it is the organizations fault.

You don't blame someone for stealing from a bank when they pile gold bullion in the entrance without a guard in sight. You blame the bank because that's fucking stupid.

Being able to dDOS mastercard isn't the individuals fault, it's mastercards. I've never heard of someone dDOSing Google, why? Because Google only makes money when people access it and their system can support insane amounts of instantaneous traffic. It's a simple fact that sooner or later mastercard/visa would have been taken down by a normal traffic spike.

Is it the users fault when mastercard gets dDOS'd by a few million people placing midnight orders on Black Friday?

Seriously, look at the world rationally. If I can spend $5 on a padlock, it's my fault when someone steals my $500 BBQ from my back yard. Someone committed a crime, yes, but I'm going to be buying a padlock like I should have in the first place.

Why didn't mastercard/visa/paypal/sony/sony/sony/(sony x 27 fucking times) front the goddamn cash so they wouldn't lose hundreds of thousands.

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