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YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by kube-system »

xanaxagoras wrote: post #181
kube-system wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he meant that "cloth masks aren't good enough " he could have said that. But he's a senator. His statement was a dog whistle to his base. They're not looking for an argument that people should be wearing N95s, they want to discredit all masking. The word "prevent" is a red herring -- nothing is 100% -- the goal is to decrease infection, not prevent it.

> If he meant that "cloth masks aren't good enough" he could have said that. He could have, but he didn't. You're not his editor. > But he's a senator. He's also a physician. He might know something about infectious diseases that you don't. > His statement was a dog whistle to his base. Maybe it was. So what? > They're not looking for an argument that people should be wearing N95s, they want to discredit all masking.…

> He could have, but he didn't.

That is exactly what I am saying. He knows quite well that N95s are effective, for instance. But that is not the context in which he frames the argument, intentionally.

I addressed much of this in a sibling comment below: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28144209

TL;DR: Rand knows what he is doing. He’s not dumb, he knows his base, and he’s simply playing politics.

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Post by __blockcipher__ »

newacct583 wrote: post #507
__blockcipher__ wrote: post #484

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> Stopping the pandemic doesn't require eradicating the disease. Malaria remains endemic and largely unvaccinated, but controlled. I'm literally responding to a comment from somebody who is advocating for eradication. That's why I pointed out that eradication is not feasible. I am well aware of the whole mitigation vs containment vs eradication distinction, and I maintain, personally, that focused protection is and w…

> I'm literally responding to a comment from somebody who is advocating for eradication. No, you're not. Go read the comment again.

> Rand Paul needs to have a permanent muzzle installed until covid is extinct.

Again, they literally said eradication (extinction) was possible. I said it wasn’t. I didn’t misread at all.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by iammisc »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #615
jimmygrapes wrote: post #573

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Do you think a computer science graduate cannot be an expert at Windows domain management as well?

Do YOU think that a CS grad can call upon his CS background and magically be an expert on Windows domain management on par with people who do it for a living? Because THAT is what we are talking about here. Rand Paul is an eye doctor, not an infectious disease specialist, and not an epidemiologist. The experts on this topic have spoken AND written AND researched the subject. Any credible information about it would ha…

He is an opthalmologist not an optometrist. A md degree gives you the ability to practice medicine. Paul will have been trained on the whole body. The eye speciality is an added specialization. As an MD he should be able to do everything from basic first aid to general diagnosis to delivering a baby in a woman even with major complications should he have to. He may have to do some research and reading but he is authorized to do such things

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Post by kcplate »

merpnderp wrote: post #605
CamperBob2 wrote: post #440

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Cloth masks might not keep you safe. They do, however, improve safety for those around you. Anything that reduces droplet velocity and interferes with aerosol disperson is by definition better than nothing.

(I didn't downvote), I see what you're saying, but it is complex. If you spend an hour in a poorly ventilated classroom/office space/cubicle farm full of people, and your cloth mask gets damp from your breath, and the CO2 level hits 2000+ meaning the air circulation is extremely poor, is it really believable that a cloth mask is doing anything at all? A well fit KN95 is drastically preferable, readily available, and…

Because (at least in the US) the “optics” of a “KN95 as the only safe choice” message would be that the past encouragement of the cloth varieties as reasonably effective was wrong.

It would further decrease the credibility of the government/CDC/Fauci because it would be perhaps the (fourth or fifth?) shifting mask advisory that we have seen in the last 18 months.

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Post by iammisc »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #298
iammisc wrote: post #259

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How can you cross reference and double check if only one side is presented and the internet is the main means by which one double checks? This is the conundrum I haven't figured out.

Go to the library. (Hopefully you still have one.)

No the democrats shut mine down and are taxing us for them anyway

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by iammisc »

sp332 wrote: post #325
iammisc wrote: post #259

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How can you cross reference and double check if only one side is presented and the internet is the main means by which one double checks? This is the conundrum I haven't figured out.

"The internet"? It's just YouTube. He's a senator, he has one of the biggest and most un-cancelable platforms in the world.

What platform is that?

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Post by nicetryguy »

quantumBerry wrote: post #623
nicetryguy wrote: post #618

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It is clear to me that the people closest to you will pay dearly for your immature selfish lack of awareness and consideration for anyone else but yourself on planet earth. You are a time bomb and i pity those caught in the inevitable explosion. Good day sir.

Yet somehow I have managed to live half of a normal lifespan without such an "explosion" and maintain a happy and comfortable family, a clean criminal record, and have never caused anyone else serious harm or property damage. The difference between you and I is that you believe I am an inconsiderate immature person for disagreeing with you, whereas I merely believe those with different opinions (even you) merely have…

I assume you won't change your views until some sort of personal tragedy happens. That's a shame. I'm imagining you as the gentleman being intubated on the ventilator with the "Don't Fauci My Florida" novelty T-shirt. I can't respect or level with that my dude. I'm sorry. GL HF

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by kcplate »

lhorie wrote: post #384
corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

This thread feels like a game of broken telephone: you're literally quoting a quote of a quote. Rand Paul's overall stance is basically "let's revolt against masks because freedom". Whether Rand Paul's carefully cherrypicked arguments are technically medically/factually correct doesn't really matter, you need to consider the narrative as a whole. Youtube deemed that promoting his overall message is a threat to public…

You realize you are advocating thought policing here, right?

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by gibba999 »

seanclayton wrote: post #593
dfxm12 wrote: post #103

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especially on the way out This doesn't matter to Paul. Him, and most of his colleagues/voters, etc. base their ideals on individualism. To them, pro-social behavior, like wearing a mask to protect others , is inconceivable.

individualism is not selfishness.

Indeed it's not.

... and ironically, the liberals are far more individualistic, and conservatives, collectivist, at least as anthropologists use the term.

A big part of the rationale for limited government is family and church support support networks.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by subsection1h »

ReadEvalPost wrote: post #210
mindslight wrote: post #185

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> he also knows that his ultimate job as a politician is to make arguments that will resonate with his constituents Wider context check, his job as a politician is to serve his constituents by leading , even when it may be difficult. Pandering to the lazy and ignorant in a state of perpetual campaigning is an utter dereliction of duty.

As of May 2021 vaccine hesitancy by % of group is highest among PhDs: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v... Funny how one's enemies are always the lazy ignorant ones.

You cited an online survey that people began completing on January 6. Here are the results of a survey that was conducted between June 7 and 23:

https://www.prri.org/research/religious-vaccines-covid-vacci...

"Americans of all levels of formal education are similarly more likely to be vaccine acceptant now than they were in March. Americans with high school degrees or less have shifted most (61%, up from 45%), though movement is relatively similar across other groups: Americans with some college experience but no degrees have increased to 70%, from 56% vaccine acceptant in March; Americans with four-year degrees have increased to 80%, from 70% in March; and Americans with postgraduate degrees have increased to 92%, from 79% in March."

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