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Oh, so what was the implication of your comment meant to be? Why is the government not going to end the pandemic measures anytime soon?
I said nothing about governments, just that the pandemic is not ending any time soon. It will be with our grandchidren, and theirs.
Australia is becoming a surveillance state
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Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state
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I suspect the OP is wishing for Coal and Gas to go away soon in the hope it can spare the world from the upcoming catastrophe that is climate change. What is stupid, with Europe and the USA both planning a tax on carbon, in just a few decades the OP's wish will most likely come true, yet Australia keeps wishing for a different future.
OP's way of life has been made possible by cheap energy. Wishing it away before renewables are able to provide baseload power in an advanced economy (and the storage problem is, at best, decades away from being solved) is unwise.
No amount of economic wealth is going to help once the environment has been damaged beyond repair.
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As an expat, I go there where I get treated best. Why wouldn’t I? Do I owe my country of birth anything?
Are these rhetorical questions? I'm not quite sure how they address my comment. There is a difference between that and the systemic concerted efforts by wealthy countries to poach and take the most valuable, skilled, educated of the human capital from poorer countries who are in positions of weakness and far less bargaining power. I understand that the narrative is that it's about "helping the unfortunates", but real…
In Germany(already a wealthy country) doctors move to Switzerland for better pay and better working conditions too.
It’s also very expensive to move internationally. Visas can cost up to $10,000 alone, so I doubt that so many people actually leave developing countries for developed ones.
There are also tons of people who would never move countries because their family and social circle is in that particular place or they want to make their country a better place.
I also think many people move back home from overseas to their home country, bringing their improved skillset with them.
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> Is this intentionally ironic? There is no contradiction. If you want to come to Canada, for example, you have to qualify for one of the programs, e.g. "Express Entry". That is, have education or better yet Canadian education, at least bachelor's degree but better PhD, experience or better yet Canadian experience, profession in a shortage list, proficiency of English and French, enough money for a year, be <35 y.o.,…
Refugees and skilled migration are different things.
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There's a really good book and essay called "Southern Rites" by Gillian Laub that talks about segregation in schools, particularly in Georgia, where, to be clear, _public_ schools have been called out for having segregated proms as recently as 2019. When a white girl lobbies her principal about this, part of his dismissal is "well, you should know the black parents all agreed to this at the PTA meeting, too", as if t…
This is alot of words that dont actually say anything other than "Georgia" bad. Your position is that a black educator in the Atlanta Public School system that has a black mayor and is defiantly against the mainstream of rural southern politics, decided to segregate the students for what reason exactly? I would venture to guess using this weird thing called "empathy" where i try to look at the other side in good fait…
I certainly wasn't saying that an evil PTA was threatening to lynch the principal if she didn't. But to discount the challenges faced by a system in a state which -to this day- has horrendous issues with systemic racism in the education system, and state that they entirely don't have an impact, subconscious or conscious on people within that system goes against every study and observation.
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Most rights end at a nation's border and most rights are a balance of conflicting interests. The former may be wrong, but it is the way of the world. The latter means that one person's rights may have to be restricted to protect the rights of another. Failing to recognize this by painting everything as contrasts is your choice, but it most certainly does not mean you are right. Police investigative powers are an exam…
Balance of rights means nobody has rights. If you need to "balance" the rights (read: take them away) of somebody to equal the scale, then rights don't exist in the first place.
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> They would need to overpower gov AND the privately armed non-supporters. Compared to only the gov if the people would not be armed. (unless you assume the tyranny group is actually unarmed because they follow the law but this seems weird highly tyrannical and criminal groups all over the world always find a way to arm themself even in places where private people dont have guns.) The role they play is usually as par…
So the worst thing that could happen is that people who will be ordered to do the dirty work already have guns rather than whoever controls them has to arm them first. Seems to be a minor detail not something that has any effect on larger outcome of conflicts.
Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state
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You don't because you are living in a period where everything is wonderul for Australia. You know what they say: everybody is a genius in a bull market. So you have sun, good food, plenty of money and little immigration. Life is good (if you are not living in the desert naked). Unfortunatly, there is nowhere in the world where things stay nice and easy. The run ended in europe after 1970, it ended in the US after 199…
'So you have sun, good food, plenty of money and little immigration.' Australia has one of the highest rates of inbound immigration in the world. Number 2 in the OECD actually, right after Luxembourg. And I, like the overwhelming majority of Australians, consider high immigration intakes to be a good thing. Check your sources. [1] https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/migratio... [2] https://data.oecd.o…
Graduates: 58% yes
Non-Graduates: 24% yes"
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/10/72-of-aussies-do-no...
Not overwhelming.
Also there are some people who are happy with immigration, but only from other culturally-compatible regions, and as long as diversity (eg. max 10% from any one country) and equality (eg. max 49% males from any one country) is part of the intake.
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Indeed. It’s kind of amazing that Singapore, often accused of being overly authoritarian, took a much softer approach to Covid than Australia. You could always leave. Citizens and PRs could always come back (although if they left after a certain date they had to pay for their care if they got Covid). Even immigrants workers could leave. You needed permission to come back, but unless Covid was raging they took in quit…
"Even immigrant workers could leave" This is true however return for foreigners was never guaranteed. It has opened up only very recently. I've been stuck in Singapore for 2 years as of last weekend.
You are right there was no guarantee you could return if Covid cases exploded, but there was at least a decent pathway. Australia from what I gathered put up as many obstacles as possible AND requires permission to leave.
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> So, in your view, human rights cannot be suspended, even if there is an emergency? This does seem a pretty common misconception. People seem to forget that even the most liberal countries still regularly and systematically infringe on people's rights, e.g. by imprisoning criminals. But you don't see many of the anti-lockdown types protesting the existence of prisons. In both cases, it's a matter of proportionally b…
The imprisonment of criminals is a governments way of fulfilling one of its primary duties, keeping its citizens safe. It’s not 100% accurate of course but I’d much rather take that than wondering if my neighbour will kill me. If you’re saying a government shouldn’t be locking people up so that an individuals rights aren’t violated, then you’re saying a government shouldn’t be looking after the wellbeing of its peopl…