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Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by pixl97 »

version_five wrote: post #290
natural219 wrote: post #205

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mass civil disobedience against COVID restrictions is not only awesome, it a very explicit and central civic value of the American political mythology. I can't emphasize enough how bizarre and soviet-esque that this is even on the table as a contentious issue these days.

I see you'd been here a lot longer than I have so you know you're fighting a lost battle. I am surprised how tech folks, that I always thought had a libertarian bent, have gone full on religious conformist due to covid. I like to read HN for the tech discussions and have a bad habit of getting drawn in to these silly religious things. All I can say is I hope the mainstream extremist view here is not representative of…

Need to look up Typhoid Mary if you want to understand our liberal democratic values when it comes to disease.

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Post by tlear »

Curious how alphabet went all in with censoring republicans. I guess the idea is that R is never going to be in power again, this is either really idiotic or they know something we don’t.

As it is first order of business for a republican President/senate should be ending Alpahabet and Facebook by any means necessary

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Post by djrogers »

jiggawatts wrote: post #499
kbelder wrote: post #302

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In the 70s they'd be banning people who claimed the Earth wasn't cooling.

Global cooling was never the accepted science, that's an urban legend, like the "we only use 10% of our brains" thing. Global warming was suspected as far back as the late 1800s, and well established by the 1970s.

> Global cooling was never the accepted science, that's an urban legend,

It was accepted enough that it was taught to me in grade school, was on the cover of Time magazine, and in the news regularly.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by pixl97 »

xanaxagoras wrote: post #439
hobs wrote: post #414

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So what? It impugnes his motives 100% and it impugnes your motives as well to say "so what" to the clear implication made, that he wants no masking at all and would like the most negative outcome, increasing mass death. Saying "oh but he's a physician so him encouraging mass death is an interesting opinion I want to hear" sounds... a bit nutty dont you think?

I'm done with COVID. I'm immune to it. By this point everyone has had the chance to become immune to it. I'm not worried about the delta variant. I don't think mass death is on the table here.

No your not, re infection is happening. At our current rate maybe we'll reach immunity about the time Zeta rolls around.

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Post by rajin444 »

nielsbot wrote: post #447
rajin444 wrote: post #438

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Yes, but you need a control to compare it against. How do you get one?

Just look at the trend line? You might also want to look at the excess statistically significant deaths numbers. https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac8...

You need controls to account for confounding factors. Looking at a trend line does not account for confounding factors.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

lupire wrote: post #422
version_five wrote: post #290

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I see you'd been here a lot longer than I have so you know you're fighting a lost battle. I am surprised how tech folks, that I always thought had a libertarian bent, have gone full on religious conformist due to covid. I like to read HN for the tech discussions and have a bad habit of getting drawn in to these silly religious things. All I can say is I hope the mainstream extremist view here is not representative of…

Just because Eric Raymond (who is more famous for his mouth than for his technical achievements) is a libertarian, and billionaires are libertarian, doesn't mean techies are in general.

There's libertarian as a religion, and practical libertarian. I'm the latter type: free markets are generally good, and people should generally be left alone to live their lives. But public health is a real thing that matters, and governments should step in to make sure externalities are charged to the people who caused them. I still think I'm a libertarian, but the religious type might disagree.

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Post by lsllc »

foolinaround wrote: post #387
tzs wrote: post #153

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A little over 20% of Massachusetts deaths occurred before May 6th, 2020. Another 20% occurred in the 3-4 weeks immediately ofter which are likely largely attributable to people who got COVID before early May. If you compare Massachusetts deaths after that point to other states they come out somewhere near the middle.

Did the mask mandates change in MA across these time ranges?

Not significantly, it came into force May 6th indoors and outside if you couldn't maintain 6', but most cities in eastern MA had 100% outdoor mandates too. I think it was Nov 6th when they made it 100% outdoor statewide regardless of distancing. The mask mandate wasn't lifted until May of this year.

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Post by Valectar »

miles wrote: post #393
srinivgp wrote: post #314

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It's pretty conclusive. It's been conclusive for years and years, before COVID-19. There's no question at all that masks reduce infectiousness through the extremely obvious method of preventing some virus particles from going from one person to another, and also no question at all that probability of infection depends on number of virus particles around, and that viruses in general produce worse symptoms when the ini…

> It's been conclusive for years and years, before COVID-19. March 2020: U.S. health officials say Americans shouldn’t wear face masks to prevent coronavirus https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-cdc-says-americans-don... In fact the U.S. surgeon general recently urged the public to “STOP BUYING MASKS!” “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t…

So, you linked a number of articles from early 2020, when there was not significant community spread of COVID and thus the primary strategy for dealing with it was isolating and quarantining individual cases, and most people in the country would probably not come in to contact with someone carrying COVID.

If you want to know what the WHO recommends, you need only look at their website:

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2...

"Make wearing a mask a normal part of being around other people. The appropriate use, storage and cleaning or disposal of masks are essential to make them as effective as possible."

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Post by godshatter »

robbrown451 wrote: post #409
suyash wrote: post #279

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Totally agree, YouTube is in the wrong here. They are no arbitrator of truth or facts, leave that to the courts and allow 'real free speech' in online platforms.

Is there any "real free speech" that you think YouTube should be allowed to block? People advocating for shooting the president? People describing how to make a nuclear bomb? People advocating for killing cops? People sharing people's social security numbers? People explaining the best suicide methods? People trying to organize terrorist attacks? People threatening violence on other people? Anything?

In my opinion, they should be allowing anything they are not required by law to remove.

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Post by djrogers »

idonotknowwhy wrote: post #277
whiddershins wrote: post #212

What's really funny is nobody knows if cloth masks work, but lots of people are commenting here as if this is the debate. The best I can steelman YouTube's position would be: "Yes we need free speech in order to debate all the things and get ever closer to truth. YouTube does not want to host this debate. Please find an alternate venue, and if the consensus changes, we will dutifully update our policies to reflect th…

Any mask works because it reminds you not to touch your face

a) no they don’t and b) face touching has almost nothing to do with spreading COVID. That’s April 2020 thinking there…
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