YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by bcrosby95 » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:56 PM UTC

suyash wrote: post #279

corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

Totally agree, YouTube is in the wrong here. They are no arbitrator of truth or facts, leave that to the courts and allow 'real free speech' in online platforms.

So 'real free speech' is about requiring private companies to carry the message of a politically powerful agent of the government?

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by evanrich » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:56 PM UTC

tw600040 wrote: post #227

patmcc wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>I for one want to hear his expertise, even if it disagrees with the conclusions you've already made. That's fine. YouTube doesn't want to host it, because in their view it's harmful. What's the problem?

So if some restaurant business says X (gays, christians, asians etc) not welcome we don't want to host them, that's fine too?

Mask opinions are not a protected class

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by quantumBerry » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:56 PM UTC

nicetryguy wrote: post #309

Anti-mask sentiment on HN is shocking and disappointing. They save lives. Should seatbelts be a personal choice too? Do they infringe on your "liberty"? If you want data, look at the recent case numbers of all of the southern states fighting the masks tooth and nail. EDIT: Flagged? ...really? Highly disappointing.

>Should seatbelts be a personal choice too? Do they infringe on your "liberty"?

Yes and Yes. Now you get it.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by srinivgp » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:57 PM UTC

nickthemagicman wrote: post #287

IIAOPSW wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is misinformation. Masks (cloth or otherwise) were meant to reduce infectiousness, not completely prevent the possibility of infection. Masks (cloth or otherwise) do in fact reduce infectiousness. The misinformation is the implication that masks are pointless because you can still get infected. The point of masks is to get the probability of spreading it down by some multiple, not to be a personal not-my-problem-a…

There's so much contradictory science on what you're claiming as ultimate truth. There's paper saying masks don't work there's paper saying masks do work. This is not a conclusive settled fact.

It's pretty conclusive. It's been conclusive for years and years, before COVID-19. There's no question at all that masks reduce infectiousness through the extremely obvious method of preventing some virus particles from going from one person to another, and also no question at all that probability of infection depends on number of virus particles around, and that viruses in general produce worse symptoms when the initial viral load is higher (and masks reduce the initial viral load via the extraordinarily obvious physical mechanism).

You will find literally zero papers credibly claiming otherwise.

You will find many papers claiming that masks do not reduce the risk to zero. That's obvious and also irrelevant in light of the above.

You will find papers claiming that random cloth masks do not negligibly reduce the risk when you're immersed in a high-virus-density environment for hours on end. Not as obvious, but also irrelevant in light of the above.

If you think you know of a paper that contradicts the above, send it our way please.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by csomar » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:57 PM UTC

NonContro wrote: post #183

corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

How much of this is about 'masks' and really about Rand Paul calling for mass civil disobedience against COVID restrictions? Here's the full video: https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1424399282447298563

What's exactly wrong with mass civil disobedience? If anything, it shows that you have problems with your political system; and that the current ruler has lost the narrative.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by belorn » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:57 PM UTC

In a diving medical video a few months ago, a diving doctor when through the different mask and what they did and what they protected against. It did not get removed or censored by Youtube, through maybe it went under detection.

Surgical masks do not prevent infection to the person who wears it. They prevent spread by catching droplets so they don't spread to others. They do not filter the air you breathe, but it reduce the risks that a person brings to others.

A n95 mask with a valve has the opposite properties. They are poor at catching droplets because the valve let droplets out, but they filter the air you breathe.

A n95 without a valve has properties of both, but tend to be quite expensive and reserve for medical personal only.

In isolation it could be both true and false with the phrase "Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.". A surgical mask does not filter or block very small particles in the air that may be transmitted by coughs and sneezes. They do however protect others against respiratory emissions by the wearer, which result in an reduce infection rate by those near an infected wearer. Respiratory emissions by the wearer is reduced in a range of 0 to 90% depending on the quality and fit.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by rat87 » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:57 PM UTC

corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

No what is scarier is that a Senator who's also a doctor would be putting out such dangerous misinformation about the pandemic. I used to respect Senator Paul before the Trump era but he's gone over the deep end. YouTube did the right thing here

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by sp332 » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:57 PM UTC

corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

The article links to YouTube's copyright strikes policy, but the relevant one is this: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9891785?hl=en Content moderation is the default, expected behavior of any host. Unmoderated places turn into shitholes like 4chan that no one wants to visit, or used to coordinate violence like when Facebook wasn't moderating content in the Burmese language.

If someone posts something to my computer that I don't want there for any reason, including conscience, I will delete it. That's not controversial at all really.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by nickthemagicman » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:57 PM UTC

FireBeyond wrote: post #285

nickthemagicman wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your science and citations and reason don't matter on the internet. Rand Paul is a medical doctor and the person you're replying to is a musician. Yet the musician has watched the mainstream news media and therefore determines that their opinion is unquestionable. Actual scientific debate (which is a fundamental process of the scientific method)..... is not even remotely an option to these people.. You're talking to…

A Medical Doctor certified in his field (ophthalmology, a little different to epidemiology) by the licensing body HE created, because the actual licensing body for ophthalmologists would not certify him because he would not (and according to some, could not) maintain the required standards/knowledge. Indeed, his own licensing body (which to be clear has not been accepted by any organizations) utilizes a certifying ex…

I don't even know what you're talking about.

A person with an associate's degree in biology from a community college has more knowledge of the biological sciences than you, the grandparent poster, and most people on the internet.

Yet you all are claiming equal authority on the subject as a person who spent eight years in medical school, whatever specialty he chose.

> Oh, he was also the first member of Senator to test positive for COVID.

Good! Now he's immune!

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by wizzwizz4 » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:58 PM UTC

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #223

Bud wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is unquestionably misinformation, and Rand Paul needs to have a permanent muzzle installed until covid is extinct. Masks DO WORK. Yes, N95s work better than cloth masks, usually, but cloth masks work very well for reducing the likelihood that a covid-positive person will transmit the virus. This isn't controversial. Rand Paul needs to stop spreading lies on purpose, and if he won't, I fully support YouTube telli…

You are actively spreading disinformation. SARS-2 ("covid") will never be extinct. It is completely infeasible to eradicate a highly infectious zoonotic respiratory virus w/ abundant animal reservoirs. > but cloth masks work very well for reducing the likelihood that a covid-positive person will transmit the virus You cannot possibly honestly make this statement in good faith, considering that there has only ever bee…

> It is completely infeasible to eradicate a highly infectious zoonotic respiratory virus w/ abundant animal reservoirs.

We know SARS-CoV-2 is abundant in humans, and we know it's related to viruses with abundant animal reservoirs, but do we know that SARS-CoV-2 has abundant animal reservoirs? I wasn't aware that it did, and I wouldn't expect it to have.

And… what kind of a defeatist attitude is that? They said it was completely infeasible to eradicate smallpox, but we did – because the people actually eradicating smallpox knew how to do it.

> You cannot possibly honestly make this statement in good faith,

Citation needed. You've selected an apparently arbitrary standard for evidence, concluded that nothing you're aware of meets it, and therefore that nobody can possibly make a certain claim… but I note you're certainly not as stringent in your requirements for claiming the opposite.