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CalyxOS – De-Googled Android Alternative

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Re: CalyxOS – De-Googled Android Alternative

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Post by sockpuppet_12 »

bubblethink wrote: post #176
fitblipper wrote: post #28

The thing which always makes me hesitant about these projects is that they don't receive frequent security audits and not having an expensive brand behind them makes them more at risk to being willing to trash their name at the cost of my privacy and security. I consider these to be a fairly critical part of any project which claims superior privacy and security. I think about it this way: Should I trust A. The compa…

Man, stuff like this is so depressing to read. Like this is supposed to be a forum for showcasing new tech, projects, etc. What's the point of having this if people in the industry are going to say, "I don't like it because it's not backed by a trillion dollar company". What will change ?

I think theres good reason to be concerned about investing in an OS which doesn't have the kind of well funded security team capable of actively hunting for APTs with rigor and reacting promptly to zero days once they're found.

It is depressing, but phones are unique in that they need to work flawlessly in an emergency which I think is a factor in preventing people from straying from the path "well-travelled".

This is much to my lament as well, because I would love to feel more free to experiment with phone operating systems and hardware addons.

Re: CalyxOS – De-Googled Android Alternative

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Post by FieryBinary »

FieryBinary wrote: post #478
GekkePrutser wrote: post #401

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Sorry if I misunderstood some of the differences, but I was trying to simplify it and trying to be helpful by explaining what I read about both. I'm not trying to promote either, and I don't use either as I don't have any pixel phones. However I thought of buying one and as such I looked into the differences. I didn't realise you now had sandboxed play services, but to be honest I would trust MicroG a lot more than G…

I'm sure you didn't do it intentionally, it's just that what you said is a common piece of misinformation spread about GrapheneOS. It's understandable that you'd think that given how much it's repeated and considering that many people got duped too. >I would trust MicroG a lot more than Google, even if it's sandboxed :) This is the reason that GrapheneOS sandboxes it. You can disable permissions however you'd like, n…

Correction: because of CalyxOS' implementation of microG, signature spoofing can't easily be used to break out of the sandbox. Sorry to those whom I inadvertently misled. The fact remains that microG is still an insecure implementation that doesn't implement proper security or transit protection and disregards security.

Re: CalyxOS – De-Googled Android Alternative

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Post by gefhfff »

godelski wrote: post #462
atatatat wrote: post #423

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> I don't see why Signal and Matrix have to be in competition Because people here only care about security and privacy, and Signal/Matrix offer some of the best user accessible encryption.

Yeah, I agree, but I don't see why they are in competition and not complement an ecosystem.

I don't see why they would complement themselves, and especially why you put Matrix into the slack/discord corner: Matrix is a protocol that is not designed to a specific use case.

Re: CalyxOS – De-Googled Android Alternative

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Post by FieryBinary »

cdesai wrote: post #437
strcat wrote: post #326

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GrapheneOS has https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-play-services so our users have the option to use Play services too, in a way that will provide more functionality and avoids losing the security checks and key pinning that are missing in microG. We'll be making it easy for users to install via our app repository rather than bundling Google services in the OS. Google's Play client libraries are still used on Caly…

> Google's Play client libraries are still used on CalyxOS by the apps using Play services. They'd also be used on GrapheneOS, and anywhere else basically. > WhatsApp is clearly a proprietary service too, and CalyxOS is integrating that into the Dialer app. The integration is entirely done into the open source Dialer app and generic enough that it could be extended to any apps that have phone numbers. Signal and What…

>They'd also be used on GrapheneOS, and anywhere else basically.

The issue is that you're giving Google services privilege and integration not available to other apps.

Re: CalyxOS – De-Googled Android Alternative

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Post by majka72 »

having to buy a pixel phone for this is too expensive for the 2,5 world countries folks anyway. Unfortunately, it won't become popular if brands like xiaomi don't work with this kind of software, and I know there are many reasons why it will never happen.

Re: CalyxOS – De-Googled Android Alternative

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Post by tearfang »

_abox wrote: post #76
atatatat wrote: post #57

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Disagree. The reputation of Nick Calyx (worth a look his Wikipedia page), or GrapheneOS team, etc, is so much easier lost than that of, say, Google's Android team.....or iOS security team. Having said that: Calyx shouldn't be considered much more secure than Android Open Source Project (AOSP). That's where GrapheneOS shines. Calyx should, however, be considered more private than AOSP, less dodgy & exploitable than Sa…

Yeah GrapheneOS is security over privacy, Calyx is privacy over security (and has a bit more mainstream appeal with MicroG, supporting push messaging and location services etc). GrapheneOS has also pioneered a lot of security measures, a lot of which have been added to Android proper (if you see their feature log, a lot of it says "removed because it was introduced in Android"). I wonder if that wouldn't have been th…

//GrapheneOS is security over privacy// Is this just in philosophy or are there actual concrete privacy features/things I can't do with Graphene?

Re: CalyxOS – De-Googled Android Alternative

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Post by biodranik »

FredFS456 wrote: post #282
yusi-san wrote: post #211

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You can try lineage with MicroG[0][1], it replaces Google services. If you want stores there is the F-Droid store for FOSS app or Aurora Store if you want casual apps. YouTube can be replaced by NewPipe and these days I'm trying Organic Maps (a layer for OSM with nav and offline maps) to replace Google Maps. [0] : https://microg.org/ [1] : https://lineage.microg.org/

How does Organic Maps compare to OsmAnd?

In OM, we have faster renderer, more compact maps and focus on easier UX for general public. All app’s features are free. And we plan to increase the frequency of map updates, and of course add more features.

Re: CalyxOS – De-Googled Android Alternative

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Post by tentacleuno »

strcat wrote: post #441
tentacleuno wrote: post #414

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> has been heavily involved in harassment of our developers, raids on our community and coordinated spreading of misinformation I'd be interested to see how you draw this conclusion. I have been in the CalyxOS rooms for quite a long time and have never seen anything of the sort. In fact, when GrapheneOS is mentioned, users are told to change the topic.

People can see for themselves the misinformation being regularly spread about GrapheneOS by the CalyxOS community whenever either CalyxOS or GrapheneOS is brought up. The raids on our channels are a well known fact and those people are openly welcomed in the CalyxOS rooms, even those who have publicly told me to kill myself on multiple occasions. Nick himself has been heavily involved in this behavior. I don't think…

> The raids on our channels are a well known fact and those people are openly welcomed in the CalyxOS rooms

You've said this a number of times, but you've yet to provide any material evidence this has taken place.

From what I've seen as an impartial bystander, the CalyxOS community doesn't want anything to do with you or your (frankly hostile) community.

I've taken the liberty of doing a little digging and asking around, and it looks like you've even tied in CalyxOS to the recent Bromite impersonation incident. Judging by the chat log you shared on GitHub, it looks like the user was told to change the topic.

I really don't think it's appropriate to be downgrading and "attacking" (as you so vehemently protest) open-source projects like CalyxOS with similar goals. It's a shame such hostility is taking place, when both Calyx and Graphene are doing excellent work in the privacy sector.

Re: CalyxOS – De-Googled Android Alternative

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Post by tentacleuno »

tentacleuno wrote: post #489
strcat wrote: post #441

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People can see for themselves the misinformation being regularly spread about GrapheneOS by the CalyxOS community whenever either CalyxOS or GrapheneOS is brought up. The raids on our channels are a well known fact and those people are openly welcomed in the CalyxOS rooms, even those who have publicly told me to kill myself on multiple occasions. Nick himself has been heavily involved in this behavior. I don't think…

> The raids on our channels are a well known fact and those people are openly welcomed in the CalyxOS rooms You've said this a number of times, but you've yet to provide any material evidence this has taken place. From what I've seen as an impartial bystander, the CalyxOS community doesn't want anything to do with you or your (frankly hostile) community. I've taken the liberty of doing a little digging and asking aro…

In your other (HN dead) message, you branded me a bully and a harasser. I'm interested in how you came to that conclusion?
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