What a shame, I liked 1Password in particular because of the high quality of their native apps.
1Password for Mac Moving to Electron
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Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron
#82Can we start talking in terms of "Environmental Impact"? Work out the energy use per hour of the old vs the new system * number of installs. See how much extra millions of tons of carbon 1password is spewing into the air because of their technology change! Reminder: when a company chooses a technology stack that suits them (the developers of the software) and NOT the end users, then things tend to go badly.
Textbook case (culprit): Evernote
Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron
#83Can we start talking in terms of "Environmental Impact"? Work out the energy use per hour of the old vs the new system * number of installs. See how much extra millions of tons of carbon 1password is spewing into the air because of their technology change! Reminder: when a company chooses a technology stack that suits them (the developers of the software) and NOT the end users, then things tend to go badly.
How can a password manager require 80 threads to run on a Mac?Old version required 12.
Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron
#84Can we start talking in terms of "Environmental Impact"? Work out the energy use per hour of the old vs the new system * number of installs. See how much extra millions of tons of carbon 1password is spewing into the air because of their technology change! Reminder: when a company chooses a technology stack that suits them (the developers of the software) and NOT the end users, then things tend to go badly.
Typical tech company will use 90% of it's energy running the HVAC unit so that Susan in accounting stops complaining about being cold but people will freak out cause the app uses slightly more energy.
Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
It has been painfully admitted that they are moving to Electron. Mentioning 'It's using Rust' doesn't make it any faster or efficient since at the end of the day, it is going to be slower regardless. This tweet by a user called _cprecioso is priceless of the reaction on 1Password's move to Electron. [0] [0] https://twitter.com/_cprecioso/status/1425429383880318980
Why do you think it’s going to be slower, and in comparison to what?
> Why do you think it’s going to be slower
Electron is the explanation and it takes up CPU, RAM and Disk Space. If you are running other Electron apps, 1Password is now going to be even more slower.
> and in comparison to what?
In comparison to 1Password 7 which that is fully native vs the upcoming 1Password 8 which is sitting inside an entire browser.
Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron
#86Ongoing and related: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28145247
Recent and related: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28104134 - Aug 2021 (215 comments)
Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron
#87The most disturbing part about this is that their support team has been misleading people on Twitter all morning, not truthfully answering straightforward questions about whether the app is Electron: https://twitter.com/1Password/status/1425429965747720200 https://twitter.com/1Password/status/1425470169133031435 https://twitter.com/1Password/status/1425476888072495111
I kind of don't understand why customer support would answer customer questions that way — Oh my, did you just a question about Electron? Because I swear you asked about our RUST BACKEND. Let's talk more about that.
> I kind of don't understand why customer support would answer customer questions that way — Oh my, did you just a question about Electron? Because I swear you asked about our RUST BACKEND. Let's talk more about that.
I see two possibilities:
1. They were told "it was written in Rust, mention that a bunch and link this blogpost for street cred" and actually have no idea what either Rust or Electron is beyond they're "technologies."
2. It's a ham-handed attempt at distraction.
My money is on #1.
Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron
#88What was even the value proposition of using 1password over the native keychain access on mac? Generating passwords? Safari does this now (albeit always ignores the website's specific password rules and gets it wrong most of the time)
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Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron
#89Trusting any cloud based password manager to me seems absurd and stupid.
Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron
#90Could someone give a bird's eye view summary of why 1Password moving to Electron is bad? Are there documented security risks, or is it more just a UX/UI aesthetic issue?
Electron can be a blessing for small teams building complex apps for multiple platforms. It’s a positive to have a single interface that runs on Mac, Windows, Linux, and even the web browser.
But it comes at a price of higher resource usage and slower apps. It’s not a big deal to wait a couple seconds to load something like VSCode when I’m going to leave it open and use it all day, but I don’t want to invoke all of that overhead for a simple password manager that gets opened and closed all day.
I really wish they’d focus on fast, lean native apps. They have the funding, a high price point, and even recurring revenue to fund it. This feels like an arbitrary decision that sounds good on paper but misses the fact that they’re best served by small, lean native apps.