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Post by partomniscient »

1337shadow wrote: post #227
partomniscient wrote: post #204

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We're going backwards. I was mainly thinking of us approaching the 'state of the nation' in the comic/movie before 'V' etc. started fighting back. Not the whole interrupted broadcast attack part. Things have mostly worked out pretty well for Keith Rupert Murdoch, although he's getting pretty old now. Unfortunately he is nothing like 'V'. With regards to AML: You can't tell if you're making progress if you don't have…

> I was mainly thinking of us approaching the 'state of the nation' in the comic/movie before 'V' etc. started fighting back. Not the whole interrupted broadcast attack part. You're still daydreaming about civil war, maybe that's why you're so scared of your own ethics? > With regards to AML: You can't tell if you're making progress if you don't have all the pieces. Yes, I can tell there are many competent people wor…

You can just pretend to be the narrator if it will make you feel better.

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Post by JohnWhigham »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #164
thisone22 wrote: post #109

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'So you have sun, good food, plenty of money and little immigration.' Australia has one of the highest rates of inbound immigration in the world. Number 2 in the OECD actually, right after Luxembourg. And I, like the overwhelming majority of Australians, consider high immigration intakes to be a good thing. Check your sources. [1] https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/migratio... [2] https://data.oecd.o…

Skilled immigration is neocolonialism. I truly can't believe how many (supposedly enlightened) people I've had try to tell me with a straight face how wonderful it is to have all these doctors/engineers/etc coming to their country, and how great it is for their economy and healthcare system etc. Like, you don't think all the people in India or The Philippines or Chad need doctors or economic advancement?? It's just i…

People from less fortunate countries wanting to better themselves in more developed countries is somehow whitey's fault. I...wow. I never thought I would see such backwards retarded thinking on HN, but here we are.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Post by partomniscient »

1337shadow wrote: post #277
partomniscient wrote: post #269

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I just posted a video. You react with a lot of minimal information. Heed my earlier comment about all the pieces. (I am guilty of this behaviour too). If you dig deeper, there are(/were?) other video sources that had the union leader saying things along the lines of "this guys not with us, we don't know who he is, take of your mask and protest peacefully like the rest of us". The Canadian police got caught out trying…

> If you dig deeper, there are(/were?) other video sources that had the union leader saying things along the lines of "this guys not with us, we don't know who he is, take of your mask and protest peacefully like the rest of us". It's actually in the video you posted so I've seen it. They were there with masks, they were not protesting, but they were standing peacefully: that is what I see in the video. > The Canadia…

I found the video I actually wanted to post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ6cdLNWzlI

This is what happens when you don't have continuity/all the pieces.

Watch it and weep. Welcome to the misinformation age. John Perry-Barlow was right.

This was from 2011. They've presumably gotten a lot better at it now.

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Post by stOneskull »

elzbardico wrote: post #123
eightails wrote: post #117

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Many of these criticisms can -- and indeed already have -- been extended to plenty of western democracies including the US. Chomsky and many others have been warning that corporate and political interests are infringing on the (increasingly centralised) media and other institutions for several decades. Questions around the strength of democratic institutions are raised regularly, with the various Trump sagas being a…

Funnily enough I’ve been trying for years to make my right wing friends to read Chomsky. The real enemy is a vastly far different entity than our childish concepts of right or left.

many writers over the years have written about the evil of usury.

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Post by goatlover »

nanis wrote: post #133
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #105

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Guns in the hands of the Australians who want guns in their hands is an outcome that's about a thousand times worse than a "disarmed people". Also, anyone think that a US civilian militia has more than a snowball's chance in hell against any committed government-deployed force? Tell 'im 'e's dreamin'

> anyone think that a US civilian militia has more than a snowball's chance in hell against any committed government-deployed force? I am not taking sides in the underlying argument. I am simply astonished that you can make this statement in the face of U.S. forces running away from Afghanistan.

You mean where the US is no longer interested in nation building and occupying another country years after the military victory?

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Post by systemvoltage »

II2II wrote: post #179
wormseed wrote: post #80

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Australia's covid policy of indefinitely banning citizens from leaving was the last straw for me. I won't be back.

Most rights end at a nation's border and most rights are a balance of conflicting interests. The former may be wrong, but it is the way of the world. The latter means that one person's rights may have to be restricted to protect the rights of another. Failing to recognize this by painting everything as contrasts is your choice, but it most certainly does not mean you are right. Police investigative powers are an exam…

Fundamentally disagree. Locking citizens in their own homes nationwide is terrible precedence for “balance of rights”. If that’s what “balance of rights” looks like then I have a history book to sell you.

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Post by advanced-DnD »

hestefisk wrote: post #159
L_226 wrote: post #66

Since leaving Australia (and started living in Europe) I have come to the conclusion that Australia is not a "real" country - it is just a continent owned by corporate interests that happens to also have people living on it. Corporate interests own the media, politicians, food production, education etc. and no one cares, because Life Is Good. Why expect anything to change, or people to care about strong democratic in…

I think this is nicely said. I grew up in a Western European country where I was used to most people caring about big societal issues such as health, environment, civil rights and privacy. In most European countries there is real competition between newspapers and an, at least in some places, a tradition of democratic participation. Meanwhile, in Australia, the “free press” is effectively owned by Rupert Murdoch, the…

> our leading politicians still debate whether climate change is real or not.

But the Great Barrier Reef is definitely no endangered, because UNESCO says so!!!

Australia is a joke of a country. It's just a Texas with ocean.

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Post by tristor »

advanced-DnD wrote: post #287
hestefisk wrote: post #159

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I think this is nicely said. I grew up in a Western European country where I was used to most people caring about big societal issues such as health, environment, civil rights and privacy. In most European countries there is real competition between newspapers and an, at least in some places, a tradition of democratic participation. Meanwhile, in Australia, the “free press” is effectively owned by Rupert Murdoch, the…

> our leading politicians still debate whether climate change is real or not. But the Great Barrier Reef is definitely no endangered, because UNESCO says so!!! Australia is a joke of a country. It's just a Texas with ocean.

> Australia is a joke of a country. It's just a Texas with ocean.

Unfortunately it's worse than that, at least Texas has significant fiber infrastructure and quality high-speed Internet, some basic understanding of personal freedom and respect for individual privacy, and low enough property costs and taxes that normal average people can survive comfortably there, not just those blessed with a corporate job. Also in Texas, hobbies aren't banned simply because it might upset some Karens.

Australia is following in the footsteps of the worst facets of China, with also having the worst facets of Texas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Austral...

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Post by swader999 »

gonzo41 wrote: post #248
c_o_n_v_e_x wrote: post #243

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Re: voting, it's not a "right" if it's compulsory. It's an obligation.

it's a pretty low impost obligation. But I'd refer to it as a minor duty to the community.

Not voting though is a form of protest in many cases. I suppose though even if it is compulsory you could show up and spoil your ballot. I'd be fine with that.

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Post by [deleted] »

CTDOCodebases wrote: post #35
RileyJames wrote: post #8

Since 2015 and the meta data laws it’s no wonder things have continued to get worse. There was practically no opposition to the meta data laws. No popular resistance. No protests. It’s a non-issue for the public or political class. The extent to which non-tech people in my social circles care is to switch to signal. Not that they’ve stopped using the other tools. There seems to be a “what else can we do” attitude. Un…

I blame NewsCorp and Nine Entertainment as well as the “she’ll be right” attitude of most fellow Aussies. It’s kind of funny the way the media cried when the Federal Police raided the ABC and they cried victim. Yet dodgy law after dodgy law gets passed and no one bats an eyelid. The relationship the media has with government is disturbing but I guess they are bought and paid for now that the News Media Bargaining Cod…

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