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The Moment Of Truth For Airbnb As User’s Home Is Utterly Trashed

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Re: The Moment Of Truth For Airbnb As User’s Home Is Utterly Trashed

#21
> I spoke to Airbnb about EJ’s situation. They won’t reimburse her for damages

This is bad news.

They're going to backtrack on this. The sooner they do it, the better for them politically.

I understand the problems of setting a precedent. And there really is no getting around the fact that the hosts do have the final responsibility for screening travelers (and travelers for screening hosts).

But rightly or wrongly, they're going to end up on the wrong side of this story unless they make things right for this gal and can tell Arrington and other journalists, "we've made sure our customer is whole."

After saying that, they can use this as a learning exercise for their community about how screening hosts and travelers yourself is important.

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[Edit]: Is she in San Francisco? It looks like she is. She called SFPD. This is an easy one. Brian, Joe, or Nathan needs to be out there to provide a shoulder to cry on and an open checkbook to fix anything that money can fix. Nothing in that apartment costs more than the value of the ammunition this is going to give to their enemies.

The earlier they do this, the more quietly they can do it, which serves their purposes as well.

[Edit #2]: Some form of insurance might be a worthwhile addition to their offering, but that's something they can debate and decide on after they put out this fire. [added:] Also, insurance doesn't solve the safety issues involved here, so they're still going to need to emphasize the importance of screening travelers (and hosts) carefully.

[Edit #3]: EJ doesn't sound particularly litigious in her post, but consider what happens if she does decide to sue AirBnB and any part of it makes it to a jury. I mean, HackerNews is lining up against them. Consider what 6-12 normal people might decide. The wise move would be to make sure that she's fully satisfied with the way they treated her.

[Edit #4]: Arrington updated the article after speaking with Brian Chesky. Brian, Joe, Nathan and company did the right thing here, as you would expect.

Re: The Moment Of Truth For Airbnb As User’s Home Is Utterly Trashed

#25
post #5

Lets see if YC changes this title too...

For future reference, title is currently:

"The Moment Of Truth For AirBnB As User’s Home Is Utterly Trashed "

Previous submission's title changed from:

"AirBnB: Crimes committed against a host"

to

"Violated: A traveler’s lost faith, a difficult lesson learned"

Re: The Moment Of Truth For Airbnb As User’s Home Is Utterly Trashed

#26
IMHO AirBnB is no more responsible than CouchSurfing.

Whilst AirBnB charges a fee, that's purely as middleman for connecting two parties.

Of course it's horrific for the person, and this is an extreme example, but it's a lesson learned of how to rent out a property.

Take AirBnB out of the equation, and they've just let a complete stranger free reign over their apartment with a key for a week whilst leaving their own possessions on view.

To not ask a neighbour to hold onto the key, or meet the person beforehand, or get them on video chat, or remove all sensitive documents, or require a deposit, or a way of monitoring the property, is negligent on the owner's part.

Could AirBnB do more to vet users? Sure. Should they be responsible for the combined actions of two parties? Not at all.

A tough, hard-learnt lesson for the owner.

Re: The Moment Of Truth For Airbnb As User’s Home Is Utterly Trashed

#28

Am I the only one that would have presumed that AirBnB would not be financially responsible? They're a forum for helping people find short term tenants. They can't possibly vet everyone who's going through the system.

Of course they're not financially responsible. That doesn't matter. "We encouraged you to do something that wrecked your home and sense of security, but we didn't accept liability, so we're off the hook." It's legally true, but it's atrocious PR and bad karma.

Re: The Moment Of Truth For Airbnb As User’s Home Is Utterly Trashed

#30
post #2

The part in here about the FAQ really burns, now more than ever. Language used regarding renter protection should be as forthright and above-board as that used in payment checkout. Just the facts.

Will someone steal my grand piano? Highly unlikely. Grand pianos weigh thousands of pounds and do not fit through doors. That's just unacceptable. Regardless of whether this ever happened to EJ or not.

...and rather than update the answer to reflect the traffic they'll be receiving to that question, they just removed it.

I guess they're still in hope-this-goes-away mode.

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