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Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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What real/perceived security risk is AU dealing with to justify all these legal changes? They seem relatively isolated from many of the threats facing the US/EU west regarding terrorism/extremism. Borders in AU are pretty naturally secured by oceans.

If you want a narrative I'm sure someone has woven it for you. It won't be convincing or satisfying to the critical thinker but it will end the conversation nonetheless. And the machine will continue to carry out its program.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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What real/perceived security risk is AU dealing with to justify all these legal changes? They seem relatively isolated from many of the threats facing the US/EU west regarding terrorism/extremism. Borders in AU are pretty naturally secured by oceans.

Oz is part of the 5 eyes. The West in general, but especially the 5 eyes (anglosphere) have been waging an economic and propaganda war on China since Obama "pivoted east".

Anti Chinese rhetoric in Oz media and from their politicians has been strident.

It is quite possible that the 5 eyes are ramping up methods of internal control in expectation of a war with China.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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What real/perceived security risk is AU dealing with to justify all these legal changes? They seem relatively isolated from many of the threats facing the US/EU west regarding terrorism/extremism. Borders in AU are pretty naturally secured by oceans.

The usual surveillance scapegoats, terrorists, drug dealers, pedophiles. Organized crime used to be the other one, but "foreign state sponsored cyber attacks" are very in vogue at the moment.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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>“[These laws] represent, in my view, significant expansions of the existing powers of law enforcement agencies away from a traditional focus on investigation and the collection of admissible evidence of specific offenses to disruption, to attack, to take-over, to take-down,” Dr Mann said.

Yikes.

This is like government being infested by cancel culture (attack w/ no evidence needed, pile on & take down).

What phenomenon is driving this?

e.g political opportunism under the pretense of covid / protection?

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Since 2015 and the meta data laws it’s no wonder things have continued to get worse.

There was practically no opposition to the meta data laws. No popular resistance. No protests. It’s a non-issue for the public or political class.

The extent to which non-tech people in my social circles care is to switch to signal. Not that they’ve stopped using the other tools.

There seems to be a “what else can we do” attitude.

Unfortunately, there is also no other party to vote for, as both major parties (liberal and labour) hold the same policies on ‘national security’.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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post #5

What real/perceived security risk is AU dealing with to justify all these legal changes? They seem relatively isolated from many of the threats facing the US/EU west regarding terrorism/extremism. Borders in AU are pretty naturally secured by oceans.

Oz is part of the 5 eyes. The West in general, but especially the 5 eyes (anglosphere) have been waging an economic and propaganda war on China since Obama "pivoted east". Anti Chinese rhetoric in Oz media and from their politicians has been strident . It is quite possible that the 5 eyes are ramping up methods of internal control in expectation of a war with China.

Australia basically sold everything to China and gave the Darwin harbor away on a lease. The entire economy relies on selling real estate to rich foreign investors, international students, and mining.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-12/why-did-northern-terr...

Australia thinks it can control China, but without the influx of Chinese money the place is finished IMO.

When I landed at Sydney Airport in 2020, there were ads in Mandarin advertising EU passports for sale.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Since 2015 and the meta data laws it’s no wonder things have continued to get worse. There was practically no opposition to the meta data laws. No popular resistance. No protests. It’s a non-issue for the public or political class. The extent to which non-tech people in my social circles care is to switch to signal. Not that they’ve stopped using the other tools. There seems to be a “what else can we do” attitude. Un…

There are far bigger issues in Australia right now to care about meta data logging. Climate change and now the vaccine delay consume all of the publics attention.

Metadata logging is a theoretical issue while the lack of vaccine supplies is a very real and immediate issue.

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