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Re: Ask YC: Graduate funding going down?

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As I understand it, in addition to any other problems there's currently short-term budget problems with many Federal grants. Various spending bills are being held up in Congress while Congress waits to see who the next President is going to be, and many researchers currently have grants which have been officially awarded, but which they still can't spend.

Expect this short-term clusterfuck to clear itself eventually sometime after November regardless of who wins.

Re: Ask YC: Graduate funding going down?

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You're right, especially w/r to NIH and NSF, but the DARPA vein is very rich. Still, if you're accepted into a reputable program, you're guaranteed funding for four or five years. Don't forget how much of this is driven by the president's budget office. Not surprisingly. this administration isn't interested in science.

"Still, if you're accepted into a reputable program, you're guaranteed funding for four or five years." That's not as true as you think it is. It's important to know the source of the funding. Most schools (even reputable schools) make a guarantee that's tantamount to "we won't kick you out for lack of funding". Notably, that doesn't mean that you'll be funded to do research (hello, grading!), or even that they'll tr…

I can't disagree with any of that.

The best advice I can give about grad school: Know your adviser before accepting an offer. Non-tenured should be a big worry. No other students should be too. Use the beer night all schools feature to get honest assessments of potential advisers - after a few beers have set in. In a real sense, your adviser will be your venture partner with vast majority control even as you do the vast majority of the work. The decision of who to work with is therefore critical.

Re: Ask YC: Graduate funding going down?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, especially w/r to NIH and NSF, but the DARPA vein is very rich. Still, if you're accepted into a reputable program, you're guaranteed funding for four or five years. Don't forget how much of this is driven by the president's budget office. Not surprisingly. this administration isn't interested in science.

Ermm, I'm not sure the assertions that the DARPA vein is very rich and this administration isn't interested in science are logically consistent. Where does DARPA money come from exactly?

DARPA's mission isn't science, although their relative autonomy (based on budgetary reasons) allows it to be.

Of course, the bit about this administration was extreme. But their funding priorities are less about basic science, relatively speaking.

Re: Ask YC: Graduate funding going down?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Still, if you're accepted into a reputable program, you're guaranteed funding for four or five years." That's not as true as you think it is. It's important to know the source of the funding. Most schools (even reputable schools) make a guarantee that's tantamount to "we won't kick you out for lack of funding". Notably, that doesn't mean that you'll be funded to do research (hello, grading!), or even that they'll tr…

I can't disagree with any of that. The best advice I can give about grad school: Know your adviser before accepting an offer. Non-tenured should be a big worry. No other students should be too. Use the beer night all schools feature to get honest assessments of potential advisers - after a few beers have set in. In a real sense, your adviser will be your venture partner with vast majority control even as you do the v…

Having an untenured advisor is not necessarily a bad thing. An advisor trying to get tenure is going to be very active and focused on their research, because their own job is literally on the line. Although a more senior professor might have a more established reputation and more grant money, they might also be less involved in the details of the research their students are doing. That said, all this depends on the nature of the particular advisor -- and I would certainly agree that your success in graduate school has a lot to do with the advisor you choose.

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I can't disagree with any of that. The best advice I can give about grad school: Know your adviser before accepting an offer. Non-tenured should be a big worry. No other students should be too. Use the beer night all schools feature to get honest assessments of potential advisers - after a few beers have set in. In a real sense, your adviser will be your venture partner with vast majority control even as you do the v…

Having an untenured advisor is not necessarily a bad thing. An advisor trying to get tenure is going to be very active and focused on their research, because their own job is literally on the line. Although a more senior professor might have a more established reputation and more grant money, they might also be less involved in the details of the research their students are doing. That said, all this depends on the n…

The key word there is "their". If you want to be an apprentice, then a non-tenured professor could be fine. You're working on their, narrowly conceived, research. Of course, there are exceptions but an applicant to grad schools isn't usually well-prepared to distinguish. So, given your last point - which I agree with 100% - I think it's better for students to just go with more established folks (assuming good reviews from their current and former students). Let the non-tenured faculty hire assistants - they're cheaper and their independence is less critical to their long-term development.
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