Would I be correct to say that AppCenter releases are tied to GitHub exclusively[1] or can you use other version control hosts?
[1]: https://github.com/elementary/houston/wiki/Submission-Proces...
Elementary OS 6 Odin
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Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin
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MacOS still has anachronistic design elements. My least favorite was the Dashboard, which long outstayed it's welcome...
Fun fact: Apple made up the tag for Dashboard and it was later adopted as a web standard
I remember trying to make Dashboard widgets and got really hung up on trying to wrap my head around the canvas API. I didn't know that's where the current API is based off of though, very cool. :)
Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin
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Long time Mac user (1992); I think the Mac UI peaked at Mavericks (some would argue Snow Leopard due to the dumb Save workflow in Lion). As soon as Yosemite started trying too hard to be minimal it started a descent into prioritizing style over UX. I haven't touched Big Sur yet and probably won't until I'm forced to with a new Mac. Looking at screenshots of Elementary, it's so much more obvious how things work and wh…
Interestingly enough, iTerm is the biggest sticking point for me in switching back to Linux: none of the Linux terminal applications have the quality of life features I depend on in iTerm
Yeah, I recently switched my main machine from macOS to Pop!_OS 21.04 (another "install and forget" distro based on Ubuntu, so kinda similar to Elementary OS) and I miss iTerm so much that I sometimes slide my chair over to the music workstation (which is still a Mac) and SSH in from iTerm just to do stuff in the terminal.
I think iTerm is probably not just the best terminal on any platform, but also one of the best software applications ever made, period. I would looove to have something like it on Linux, but I've spent several evening beers googling it, after switching to Linux, and there just aren't any.
Random things I like about iTerm, off the top of my head:
- not only is it extremely customizable, it can sync those settings across multiple machine easily via any shared-folder mechanism (I use Syncthing, but you could use iCloud Disk or Dropbox or anything)
- infinite history/scrollback retention, even across restarts
- extremely good performance, regardless of having dozens of windows open (maybe only on high-spec Macs? that's the only kind of Mac I use, since macOS is so crazy slow generally)
- timestamps on every line, hidden by default but can be shown after the fact whenever you want (e.g. hmm... when did this script output this line of text? oh, last night at 1AM, it must be hung then, kill it)
- detaches your sessions when it updates itself, then restarts and re-attaches them
- great shell integration (https://iterm2.com/documentation-shell-integration.html) enables useful extra features
- Instant Replay
- scriptable, so each project can have a little script that opens iTerm and opens a tab that runs a local dev server, another tab with REPL, another tab with unit tests in watch mode, another tab with whatever... and so on
Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin
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... And in GNOME’s Nautilus, Sushi https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/sushi does popup previews on spacebar more or less like the GP describes. (Though the whole thing, while useful in practice, feels like essentially a workaround for unnecessarily heavy and app-centric UIs. Having both an “Open” command and an “Open, but faster and does less” command feels like humans succumbing to the needs of computers, not computers…
> Though the whole thing, while useful in practice, feels like essentially a workaround for unnecessarily heavy and app-centric UIs. Right, I'm sometimes puzzled by how people approach their personal "deal-breakers" that prevent Mac->Lin (or Win->Lin) switch. Many of the issues are presented as though they are bugs or clear-cut missing features, but are in fact subjective preference statements. In this case the "spac…
> Right, I'm sometimes puzzled by how people approach their personal "deal-breakers" that prevent Mac->Lin (or Win->Lin) switch. Many of the issues are presented as though they are bugs or clear-cut missing features, but are in fact subjective preference statements.
Since preference is pretty important, does it really matter? If they have a workflow they like and no significant pressure to change, why would they? You speak as though it is everyone's most pressing goal to transition to Linux Desktop for some reason.
> The worst cases of this is when some insist that not only is their particular preference the The One Way, but that stubborn Linux DE developers are somehow at fault for not implementing The One Way, and that's why Linux will never be popular.
There's a lot of reasons Linux will never be popular, developers ignoring the workflows and use cases of potential users is just one of them. The condescending attitude of many of its supposed proponents is another. Why would I want to switch to a Desktop that's as clunky and haphazard as Windows 10, just in different ways that I have to relearn?
Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin
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The problem I consistently run into isn't the pixels on the screen being the wrong color or shape. Rather it's other things which are less obvious on my Mac-replacement platforms that make them so distracting and frustrating to use by comparison: - Keyboard shortcuts. - Drag-n-drop behavior. - Menus and menu item organization. - Application interoperability. If I ever had the money to invest, I'd finance the making o…
I’ve made Linux my daily driver going on 6 months now, and it’s mostly great. I knew that MacOS’ menu organization was a bit better on average and application interop more common (especially with things like Automater) but the keyboard shortcuts thing really surprised me. Consistently at the system level and application levels, shortcuts seem so much more natural and easier to learn on MacOS. Use of the super key, a…
I've been all Linux on desktop and mobile for a few years now after decades of primarily Mac use, due to accidentally giving my MacBook swimming lessons that it absolutely didn't pass. After trying every DE under the sun, I eventually found KDE Plasma 5.x to be featureful and configurable enough to mostly work for me.
The problem that persists is related to what you mention. Nearly every application seems like it was making it a point of pride to be a maverick about application menus and shortcuts. I think a lot of it stems from decades of trying to be like Windows in some attempt to lure Windows users over to Linux. The result instead was still a persistent lack of commercially popular/essential software that gives Windows its value and a user experience in terms of consistency and execution that's no better than Windows. It ends up being the worst of both worlds, but... it is free, and basically a miracle that any of it exists and works at all considering the arduous and meandering way it tends to all come together.
So, on the one hand I'm in bewildered awe of it and on the other I'm constantly frustrated by it thinking, "Ugh. What? Why? It doesn't have to be like this." If I were ever in a position to do so, I'd gladly drop $10+ Million on creating a Linux Distro that was little more than KDE Neon or Kubuntu, plus popular applications, all patched and built with menu organization and keyboard shortcuts that follow Apple's HIG from ~2005.
Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin
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>I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser? Elementary is aimed in part at non-power-users, moreso than most other distros besides Ubuntu. Most of them don't care or even know what browser they're using.
I find it a little hilarious that any distro is aimed at non-power users. The middle of the Venn diagram of “non-power user” and “will install an OS that isn’t the one that came with their computer” must be vanishingly small.
Further, I would argue that every user is a potential power user and part of the job of personal computing software should be to be an onramp to power-user-dom.
Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin
#267I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser? That said, I wish them all the best, because I use 'Files' (but not the distro) since it's the best I've found for the odd occasion where I think using a GUI file manager will be easier than the command line. I still wouldn't say it's good , j…
I prefer WebKit to other engines
Why is that?
Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin
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> Why, in 2021, does every single Linux desktop require me to open a file first to see what's inside it? KDE's file manager has a previewpane that you can enable if you wish.
Why should I have to enable it? There shouldn't be any goddamn high places!!!
It's not hidden in a disused lavatory behind a sign bearing the words "beware the leopard". Click menu button view panels "Information" Also F11
If remembers the state globally so if you leave it open it will always be there when you open a file manager window if you toggle it off it will be hidden next time too.
It's not open by default perhaps because not everyone regards it as maximally useful. Say I open a file manager and have it sized to 1/4 of a 24" 1080p screen. On the left hand side of the screen is a panel which lists common and places and other items. This leaves a space for 15 icons on the screen at 48px size big enough to comfortably read and note some details in a preview.
Opening the information pane reduces that to 10 icons greatly reducing the space available for the main purpose of the application.
What if I open it to the full size of the screen? I can now view 56 icons at 80px where now they actually are a pretty decent size to see whats in them in their own icon.
I think most of the time having the info panel shown would decrease the utility of the window.
Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin
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Sure, you can have a for-pay open source app, but if it's a consumer product (as opposed to, say, some B2B thing with special licensing), then it isn't going anywhere as a business. Many people will just download the code and compile it instead of paying you (or find someone else who packaged it up). That's why open source has been more successful with software-as-service.
> but if it's a consumer product...then it isn't going anywhere as a business why?
Do you have an example of a successful open source consumer product business?
Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin
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Long time Mac user (1992); I think the Mac UI peaked at Mavericks (some would argue Snow Leopard due to the dumb Save workflow in Lion). As soon as Yosemite started trying too hard to be minimal it started a descent into prioritizing style over UX. I haven't touched Big Sur yet and probably won't until I'm forced to with a new Mac. Looking at screenshots of Elementary, it's so much more obvious how things work and wh…
Another long-time Mac user, who is also increasingly frustrated with how dumbed down & bloated OSX is becoming [I'm sticking on Mavericks for the foreseeable future and only 'upgraded' from El Capitán because more and more of my apps were breaking after applying updates]. With all OSX Finder's faults and all the annoyances of the OS, I still think it's miles ahead of any Linux distro I've tried to get on with. Two wo…
If we're doing the 'showstoppers on the Linux migration', I must yet again ask why no other file manager on any other operating system can do as Finder has been able to do since the 90s and display the total recursive size of a directory in bytes!
The combination of this feature (including sort-by this directory size when listing dir contents) and quicklook makes the Mac the only place I ever want to actually manage files, instead of dumping them in Downloads and declaring bankruptcy. Two basic features that would have me on Linux in a heartbeat. I'm begging you!
(Ironically, Windows Search is so useless compared to Spotlight that the give-up-and-dump-and-search approach works best on Mac too...)